Speed of Time

[Farid7]

I wanted an accurate measurement of time. The conclusion that I have been led to has been very intriguing. So, I decided to share it.

Speed of time is infinite. You might be perplexed. How can that be. Wouldn't it result in all time just happening at once, thus reaching the end of time?

My main point that has led to me to this conclusion is the duration of time itself. Time it self cannot have a duration. Thus, mathematically, speed of time is infinite.

 

[Tinker Grey]

1 s/s

 

[SelfSim]

I wanted an accurate measurement of time. The conclusion that I have been led to has been very intriguing. So, I decided to share it.

Speed of time is infinite. You might be perplexed. How can that be. Wouldn't it result in all time just happening at once, thus reaching the end of time?

My main point that has led to me to this conclusion is the duration of time itself. Time it self cannot have a duration. Thus, mathematically, speed of time is infinite.

i) Show me the test which demonstrates that the concept of 'time itself', is a 'thing' which exists independently from human minds .. because it appears that's exactly how you perceive it .. (which we can all see is nonsensical);

ii) the time dimension of spacetime is arbitrary (ie: is model dependent).

 

[public hermit]

I wanted an accurate measurement of time. The conclusion that I have been led to has been very intriguing. So, I decided to share it.

Speed of time is infinite. You might be perplexed. How can that be. Wouldn't it result in all time just happening at once, thus reaching the end of time?

My main point that has led to me to this conclusion is the duration of time itself. Time it self cannot have a duration. Thus, mathematically, speed of time is infinite.

Time has been shown to be relative to space. You seem to have a metaphysical idea in mind, which is fine. But CF does not have a space for philosophy, sadly. We should protest.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thus, mathematically, speed of time is infinite.

Then why do people complain they don't have enough time to do this or that?

 

[public hermit]

Then why do people complain they don't have enough time to do this or that?

This or that is not infinite. And complaints mean nothing.

 

[SelfSim]

Time has been shown to be relative to space.

Hmm .. time has been shown as being observer dependent.

 

[public hermit]

Hmm .. time has been shown as being observer dependent.

So

 

[BeyondET]

I wanted an accurate measurement of time. The conclusion that I have been led to has been very intriguing. So, I decided to share it.

Speed of time is infinite. You might be perplexed. How can that be. Wouldn't it result in all time just happening at once, thus reaching the end of time?

My main point that has led to me to this conclusion is the duration of time itself. Time it self cannot have a duration. Thus, mathematically, speed of time is infinite.

Finite is time and Infinite is timeless.

 

[SelfSim]

So

Hmm .. I'm not having a go at you here.

It just occurred to me, that I don't think I can recall seeing an objective test, (or results therefrom), which actually demonstrates that time is relative to space(?)

Spacetime is a model that works for making sense, to scientifically thinking humans, of everything that follows from SR and GR, but I don't think there's anything which demonstrates that that time is actually relative to space. Spacetime is defined as being relative to space, and its a good definition, but it doesn't make sense to say that the definition there is demonstrated by the evidence from GR and SR because that would then be be a circular argument purely by definition. That's not how science works(?)

 

[public hermit]

Hmm .. I'm not having a go at you here.

It was a genuine response.

Spacetime is a model that works for making sense, to scientifically thinking humans, of everything that follows from SR and GR, but I don't think there's anything which demonstrates that that time is actually relative to space. Spacetime is defined as being relative to space, and its a good definition, but it doesn't make sense to say that the definition there is demonstrated by the evidence from GR and SR because that would then be be a circular argument purely by definition. That's not how science works(?)

Okay, the definition is, itself, relative. Help me and give more defining things so that I don't feel like punching you.

 

[SelfSim]

It was a genuine response.

Ok accepted .. thank you .. (so was mine).

Okay, the definition is, itself, relative. Help me and give more defining things so that I don't feel like punching you.

I'm not sure what you're asking of me there(?) .. but I can assure I'm sure not lookin' for punches!
Your point triggered something in my mind .. this conversation is helping me to figure it out

What I do know, is what I said, ie: Time has been shown as being observer dependent .. to which I'll add; that therefore, space-time is also how an observer, (us, humans in this case), makes sense of our observable model called: 'the universe'.

 

[Shemjaza]

Time is warped along with space by gravity and relative velocity.

Which I guess means it could be said to propagate at the speed of light along with gravity.-

 

[public hermit]

Ok accepted .. thank you .. (so was mine).

I'm not sure what you're asking of me there(?) .. but I can assure I'm sure not lookin' for punches!
Your point triggered something in my mind .. this conversation is helping me to figure it out

What I do know, is what I said, ie: Time has been shown as being observer dependent .. to which I'll add; that therefore, space-time is also how an observer, (us, humans in this case), makes sense of our observable model called: 'the universe'.

No, I don't want violence. I just have a way of putting things. ;}

Sure , I agree that it is observer dependent. But, I know this conversation. For you, everything is a model, correct? I know this thread. I mean, where do we start?

 

[SelfSim]

Time is warped along with space by gravity and relative velocity.

Our everyday perception of the passage of time is warped .. along with our everyday perceptions of space .. by gravity and relative velocity .. sure.

Which I guess means it could be said to propagate at the speed of light along with gravity.-

Both the speed of propagation of gravitational waves and the speed of propagation of light have been measured .. but what does 'time propagation' even mean?

 

[Shemjaza]

Our everyday perception of the passage of time is warped .. along with our everyday perceptions of space .. by gravity and relative velocity .. sure.

I use a GPS every day at work... wouldn't be effective if we didn't account for relativity. The scientific explanation for that measurable effect is the distortion of spacetime by gravity.

Both the speed of propagation of gravitational waves and the speed of propagation of light have been measured .. but what does 'time propagation' even mean?

The effects of gravity on spacetime propagate at the speed of light... so that means the distortion of time propagates at the speed of light.... giving that most coherent answer I can imagine to the question "What is the speed of time?".

 

[SelfSim]

Sure , I agree that it is observer dependent. But, I know this conversation. For you, everything is a model, correct? I know this thread. I mean, where do we start?

Science is model dependent .. this is easily demonstrated.

 

[public hermit]

Science is model dependent .. this is easily demonstrated.

Fine, give me your model, cowboy.

 

[SelfSim]

I use a GPS every day at work... wouldn't be effective if we didn't account for relativity. The scientific explanation for that measurable effect is the distortion of spacetime by gravity.

Yes.

The effects of gravity on spacetime propagate at the speed of light... so that means the distortion of time propagates at the speed of light.... giving that most coherent answer I can imagine to the question "What is the speed of time?".

Yes .. and let's be clear .. the question isn't coherent .. especially when infinite speed is asserted.

 

[Shemjaza]

Yes.

Yes .. and let's be clear .. the question isn't coherent .. especially when infinite speed is asserted.

That's fair.

But if we didn't try to reply when a question was malformed or confused then there'd be a whole lot less discussion on this forum.