According to this page:
http://www.ldolphin.org/Unique.html
written by Lambert Dolphin the 2nd law of thermodymics was not brought into effect before the fall. Cf. e.g. the following quote:
The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "entropy always increases" (in a fallen universe). Entropy measures (1) the amount of available energy to do useful work, (2) the degree of order in a system. Low entropy means lots of available energy and a high degree of order and complexity. Prior to the fall of the angels (who govern the universe under God), the Second Law was evidently not in effect, i.e., the physical universe was apparently not degenerative, or it was self-renewing. Apart from God's intervention the present universe is running down and becoming more and more disorderly. During the coming Millennial kingdom, Jesus the Lord will evidently restore nature and probably reverse the Second Law. It is always God who brings order out of chaos, light out darkness, and life out of death.
Unfortunately, this does not quite work out. The relationship between the 2nd law and order/complexity can be illustrated by the following example. Take 1 liter of 40 degrees C water and 1 liter of 20 degrees C water. Pour these into an isolated container. Now measure the temperature at various places within the water in the container at regular time intervals. The average temperature at each measurement interval should be 30 degrees C (within the statistical error margin), and as time goes by the individual measurements should tend towards that average. Heat flows by itself from higher concentration to lower concentration - it requires additional energy to revert this. By "order/complexity" in this example would be meant that each molecule of originally 40 degrees C water would retain its temperature and its spatial position, and similarly for each molecule of originally 20 degrees C water. The "disorder" arising as time goes by is simply that the temperature tends towards the average everywhere.
A world not under the 2nd law of thermodynamics would be starnge to us. Let's look at the Garden of Eden story.
Genesis 2
5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground
So, water is needed for the sprouting of plants. Why? Water in the soil triggers sprouting, but it is also used for transportation of salts from the roots of plants, and water is needed for cooling, since not all sunlight is used for photosynthesis. By having water in the soil trigger the sprouting there is a better guarantee that water will be availble for the two other purposes than if plants sprouted without water. Without the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why would growing plants need cooling? Heat cannot be moved or anything, and also why move salts around?
Having the fall cause the 2nd law of thermodynamics relies not on anything in the Genesis creation story itself, rather not. It's pure speculation based on a misunderstanding of what the law says.
- FreezBee
http://www.ldolphin.org/Unique.html
written by Lambert Dolphin the 2nd law of thermodymics was not brought into effect before the fall. Cf. e.g. the following quote:
The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "entropy always increases" (in a fallen universe). Entropy measures (1) the amount of available energy to do useful work, (2) the degree of order in a system. Low entropy means lots of available energy and a high degree of order and complexity. Prior to the fall of the angels (who govern the universe under God), the Second Law was evidently not in effect, i.e., the physical universe was apparently not degenerative, or it was self-renewing. Apart from God's intervention the present universe is running down and becoming more and more disorderly. During the coming Millennial kingdom, Jesus the Lord will evidently restore nature and probably reverse the Second Law. It is always God who brings order out of chaos, light out darkness, and life out of death.
Unfortunately, this does not quite work out. The relationship between the 2nd law and order/complexity can be illustrated by the following example. Take 1 liter of 40 degrees C water and 1 liter of 20 degrees C water. Pour these into an isolated container. Now measure the temperature at various places within the water in the container at regular time intervals. The average temperature at each measurement interval should be 30 degrees C (within the statistical error margin), and as time goes by the individual measurements should tend towards that average. Heat flows by itself from higher concentration to lower concentration - it requires additional energy to revert this. By "order/complexity" in this example would be meant that each molecule of originally 40 degrees C water would retain its temperature and its spatial position, and similarly for each molecule of originally 20 degrees C water. The "disorder" arising as time goes by is simply that the temperature tends towards the average everywhere.
A world not under the 2nd law of thermodynamics would be starnge to us. Let's look at the Garden of Eden story.
Genesis 2
5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground
So, water is needed for the sprouting of plants. Why? Water in the soil triggers sprouting, but it is also used for transportation of salts from the roots of plants, and water is needed for cooling, since not all sunlight is used for photosynthesis. By having water in the soil trigger the sprouting there is a better guarantee that water will be availble for the two other purposes than if plants sprouted without water. Without the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why would growing plants need cooling? Heat cannot be moved or anything, and also why move salts around?
Having the fall cause the 2nd law of thermodynamics relies not on anything in the Genesis creation story itself, rather not. It's pure speculation based on a misunderstanding of what the law says.
- FreezBee
