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[Knowledge3]

Knowledge3, answer these questions.

Describe how did Jesus Christ appear to you.
Be specific.

I will do my best to answer your requests and questions to the best of my ability

I had a vision and the Lord appeared to me in a dream, and gave me the dream of Joseph

I am Joseph, my father is Jacob, Abraham and Isaac are my forefathers, Manasseh is my eldest brother, Ephraim is my cousin, and the lion of Judah is the firstborn

I saw visions of fire and have been appointed to ministry --

As I wrote in my previous response to your question, Jesus appeared as a Light and blinded me

You claim to be an Apostle.

I am, an apostle, or I am working and God is working on me and forming me to his exact specifications

Which are not yours or anyone elses', what God gives to me in my personal sphere and space is for me only, I couldn't possibly let you in on my personal views anymore than I already have -- I've told you the truth over and over again -- I give you my own life and I am enduring the test and perseverance of a chosen apostle in God's way --[/quote]

These are the NT tests for an Apostle.

2CO 12:12 The things that mark an apostle--signs, wonders and miracles--were done among you with great perseverance.

Answer this.
What signs, wonders and miracles have you done in public that are well recorded?

They have not been performed yet, because God has not called them into action yet

Because God is waiting you to repent, you will be humbled before the Almighty, and the Almighty shall teach you what true humility is

Be specific.

If you cannot present any concrete evidence, you fall into a company of false apostles.

Let me come and witness to you, your pastor, and your church, then then I will set out for Damascus

Do you know that I am willing to leave everything behind to follow Jesus? Those are the acts and test of a true apostle/disciple.

The initation or theformal acts have not been performed yet, so I couldn't possibly perform or do all these requirements and standards you are requesting of me because I have no help!

The requirements of a true apostle requires you to leave your home,family,job,friends and everything you have set up for yourself in your own life . . . Are you willing to do that and follow me?

2CO 11::5 But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those "super-apostles". 6 I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way......

Everything St. Paul has written is already written, and is my mouth and personal knowledge of his teaching -- What comes from my own mouth is from the Holy Spirit

2CO 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

I haven't masqueraded before anyone? You fail to understand the purpose of and direction of St. Paul's letters in dealing with the believers in the Church

Knowledge3 - you are in a bad company.

Whoever appeared to you - was NOT Christ.

Who is company? Would you mind telling me who you believe to be in my company?

And it is a Christian duty of the believers to discern false apostles from the real ones.

You are persecuting me, do you know that? You are basically prosecuting me because of my Testimony

Be careful

LiLamb 219 was opening you with a can opener throughout the thread by insisting on your relationship with Christ.
You presented a "textbook" answer.
Not good enough.

If my letters and words are not good enough for you, then come and invite me to your church and to witness to you in person

Do you receive Jesus Christ as your personal Savior? (And I do not refer to that "Christ" who you claim personally appeared to you).

Yes, Jesus the Christ, born of the seed of Mary, in Bethlehem, from the house and lineage of David -- Who was crucified,died, and buried and rose again on the third day from the dead and ascended to heaven and sitteth at the right of God, the Almighty Father -- Judge of heaven and earth.

Thanks,
Ed

You can wear me out with you constant pleas and constant delays, why don't you act on faith and move forward. Because I am doing the best I can to step forward and show myself true and appointed


I will continue to follow up and response to your questions as I can keep up with them

 

[LilLamb219]

If my letters and words are not good enough for you, then come and invite me to your church and to witness to you in person

Thankfully most Lutheran churches don't allow just anybody to get up and preach from the pulpit. YOU have not been trained properly to come preach at a Lutheran church, sir and need to realize that even the TRUE apostles were taught for 3 years. Go to your pastor and give him your claims and allow him to see if you bear fruit or false teachings.

 

[SPALATIN]

You are persecuting me, do you know that? You are basically prosecuting me because of my Testimony

Be careful






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Persecution? K3 you haven't seen anything yet. When you go through true persecution it will be a Baptism of fire.

I have serious doubts about you and your claims and no I wouldn't just invite you to my church to speak to my Pastor and Congregation.

You could be a wolf in sheeps clothing and I am not going to risk the rest of the flock being subjected to anything you have to say. It is bad enough I have to endure it here.

 

[LilLamb219]

I decided to search Knowledge3's posting history to see what kind of person he is on the boards. One thing I have learned is that he claims to be closer to the Catholic and Orthodox beliefs. Than why the use of the Lutheran icon?

Here are the 2 prophesies he has posted found here http://www.christianforums.com/t2563136 :



I will speak into your spirit and God will fill you with understanding of the Most High, God dwells in heaven, and is Mighty, He floats on a cloud, the cloud of the Lofty One is Majestic and glorious -- He is God who is Judge, and gives Justice, and there is no other --

He is the God who pardons sins and takes away your sadness and sorrows, He will sustain you with the word, when you grow old and have gray hairs on your head, the Lord will sustain you because the Lord is your strength

If you grow weak and tired, and your eyes are filled with longing to see the Christ, who died for you and took upon your sins and infirmities, you may see Him, for He may visit you who are faithful to His promise

This my word to senior pastors and ministers
Amen

and

I will give you a word Oscarr, I am not a prophet, nor have I been taught by wise men, but I am a chosen one to prophesy

You are advanced in age, but you are filled with Spirit of God, and have expressed love for things of God -- God gives you his gift because He loves you -- God will sustain you, yea, even in your darkest hour -- I command sickness and diseases, devils, and wickedness to leave the place of your dwelling, and command the people to be healed in the spirit and for God put in them a new spirit and a new heart

You who trust in your riches and greed, but do not fear the Lord -- You must turn and repent of your wicked ways and seek the goodness and mercy of God

Let this prophetic utterance sink into your bones and be filled with the spirit of a prophet

and here is his posting in regards to those prophesies:

I have spoken these two prophecies, I will not utter any more prophecies and must be silent for a long time.

I will be silent before the Lord, and worship Him only

For 3 weeks, do not prophesy but preach and minister, do not prophesy to anyone for 3 weeks -- The family of God must be silent and use words of wisdom in speaking and speak carefully with caution before you speak -- consider your words and use wisdom

Amen

I've also discovered that others have attempted to tell him the same things we've written.

 

[ConanTheLibrarian]

With the greatest of care, I must say that Knowledge3 seems to be in great danger of spiritual pride, if not delusion. Keep in mind that Joseph Smith, among others, also claimed to have had visions of Jesus and to be apostles. The only way to be sure if our teaching is sound, is whether it is in harmony with what the Church has taught throughout the ages, that which has been held "everywhere, always, and by all".

First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
(2 Peter 1:20 RSV)

If these visions are leading you away from that faith "once delivered to the saints," (Jude 1:3) or claim to introduce new or strange doctrines, I submit that they are coming from somewhere other than God. I would second the advice that others have given to humbly seek the discernment of your pastor. We are to respect them and not "puffed up with pride" think that we know more than they do.

 

[SPALATIN]

Thank you LilLamb for your research and bringing it to our attention.

Knowledge3,

To have the Lutheran Rose in your icons is an affront. You do not belong to a Lutheran Church. At least not that you have stated thus far. You claim that you are not a prophet but yet you prophesy.

I am sorry but you are not a prophet and the prophesy that you have given is laughable.

Prophets were sent by God to tell us what was to come. Apostles were those who were taught by Christ including Paul who became an Apostle after Christ's death but was taught by the Holy Spirit for 3 years in the desert. All the other Apostles accepted him including Peter, as an Apostle.

You, however, do not have that distinction. You did not personally walk with the human Christ, nor were taught by him in this fashion. You were not with Paul.


Christ was the last true prophet, though I am sure some would say the Apostle John in his Revelation, but that Revelation was given to him by Christ.

I ask that you please remove the Lutheran Icon from your profile. If you want to come here as a generic Christian that is fine, but please don't represent the Lutheran Church as we would not agree with your prophesies.

If I see any more prophesying by you with a Lutheran icon I will report you to the mods. I will also deny you before others.

 

[ctay]

I don't think he represents the Lutheran church either. Not by what they teach anyway.

 

[SPALATIN]

I agree ctay, Which is why I resent his using the Lutheran icon in his profile.

 

[Knowledge3]

Thankfully most Lutheran churches don't allow just anybody to get up and preach from the pulpit. YOU have not been trained properly to come preach at a Lutheran church, sir and need to realize that even the TRUE apostles were taught for 3 years. Go to your pastor and give him your claims and allow him to see if you bear fruit or false teachings.

I'm tired of listening to pastors preach, I do preach freely and my gift was given freely in the way Jesus commanded to me to


My teaching will bear much fruit, without God we are nothing, and nothing at all, but with Christ Jesus we are everything

There are pastors who are appointed by God, so I decided to help them create sermons instead

God's word will not go forth and come back empty --

The Holy Spirit gives them the wisdom to preach effective and powerful sermons

I would put everyone on the pulpit, - There was a girl who was crippled, she put me to shame in her faith walk, she had much more willpower and faith than me -- This girl was walking with handicapped legs taught me much more about Jesus than anyone I've met

 

[LilLamb219]

I'm tired of listening to pastors preach,

That's another problem of yours, you think you know it all now and can't learn from other men of God.

 

[Knowledge3]

Persecution? K3 you haven't seen anything yet. When you go through true persecution it will be a Baptism of fire.

I have serious doubts about you and your claims and no I wouldn't just invite you to my church to speak to my Pastor and Congregation.

You could be a wolf in sheeps clothing and I am not going to risk the rest of the flock being subjected to anything you have to say. It is bad enough I have to endure it here.

Done.

I am no longer in communion with your church

I'm converting to a better church that will accept me as thier family, because you're not really my family if you reject me

 

[SPALATIN]

Done.

I am no longer in communion with your church

I'm converting to a better church that will accept me as thier family, because you're not really my family if you reject me

We don't reject you but we do reject what it is you are teaching, believing and confessing. You as a person are fine.

 

[LilLamb219]

I am no longer in communion with your church

Did you EVER really believe as a Lutheran anyway? I mean, I saw you posting about Free Will on another forum here in CF. That's not Lutheran. There are other examples, but really, I don't think your beliefs are in line with what Lutherans believe from what I've read through your posting history.

I still urge you to go speak with a Lutheran pastor though. You have a lot of issues that need to be addressed.

 

[SPALATIN]

Did you EVER really believe as a Lutheran anyway? I mean, I saw you posting about Free Will on another forum here in CF. That's not Lutheran. There are other examples, but really, I don't think your beliefs are in line with what Lutherans believe from what I've read through your posting history.

I still urge you to go speak with a Lutheran pastor though. You have a lot of issues that need to be addressed.

LilLamb,

K3's attitude bespeaks much. He feels he has been wronged by us and therefore will most likely not heed any advice we give him at this point. He wants to be justified in his beliefs so he will go to where he feels they will do that and I am sure that the Pentecostals and or Charismatics will be happy to take him in.

 

[Protoevangel]

I'm converting to a better church that will accept me as thier family, because you're not really my family if you reject me

Knowledge3, you are welcome here anytime. Come, hang out, discuss. We here follow only Jesus Christ, and no man.

If you have these thoughts that you must get off your chest, perhaps you could start a blog. http://www.blogger.com/start may be a good place to get these thoughts out, and work through them.

Please, though, try to find someone who can help you. Cling to Jesus with all of your might. Reject those spirits of confusion that are plaguing you. Perhaps find yourself a good Christian psychologist or councellor you can talk to.

We truly wish no bad things for you K3, only good. But what you offer is not what Scripture tells us to accept.

May God bless you.

 

[SPALATIN]

Knowledge3, you are welcome here anytime. Come, hang out, discuss. We here follow only Jesus Christ, and no man.

If you have these thoughts that you must get off your chest, perhaps you could start a blog. http://www.blogger.com/start may be a good place to get these thoughts out, and work through them.

Please, though, try to find someone who can help you. Cling to Jesus with all of your might. Reject those spirits of confusion that are plaguing you. Perhaps find yourself a good Christian psychologist or councellor you can talk to.

We truly wish no bad things for you K3, only good. But what you offer is not what Scripture tells us to accept.

May God bless you.

Wise words from a wise man.

 

[Tertiumquid]

friends- if you get a moment find a good book on Luther's history, and find out what happened when he went into hiding at the Wartburg. Radical prophets showed up, attempting to take over wittenberg- They were getting direct messages from God.

What was it Luther said of these Prophets? Something like, "They were so filled with the Holy Spirit they swallowed him feathers and all"

Sola Scriptura my friends. We have the very words of God, and his blessed Gospel.

James Swan
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/

 

[Protoevangel]

friends- if you get a moment find a good book on Luther's history, and find out what happened when he went into hiding at the Wartburg. Radical prophets showed up, attempting to take over wittenberg- They were getting direct messages from God.

What was it Luther said of these Prophets? Something like, "They were so filled with the Holy Spirit they swallowed him feathers and all"

Sola Scriptura my friends. We have the very words of God, and his blessed Gospel.

James Swan
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/

I'm not one to promote John Calvin, but didn't he say, about the same false prophets, "The fanaticism which discards the Scripture under the pretense of resorting to immediate revelations is subversive of every principle of Christianity. For when they boast extravagantly of the Spirit, the tendency is always to bury the Word of God so they may make room for their own falsehoods."?

 

[BigNorsk]

Knowledge3,

You sound like you are or are ready to make a relatively common mistake of leaving your responsibilities on the mistaken notion that that is somehow what God would have you do.

Consider this:

1 Timothy 5:8 NET
(8) But if someone does not provide for his own, especially his own family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

God is to come first in our lives, but that doesn't mean that God wants us to desert our families and leave them to fend for themselves. If you think that God is telling you to do just that, then that is not consistent with His Word. That would mean that it is not God telling you to do so, but someone else. Be very careful lest you are an embarrassment to our Lord.

You are not an Apostle of Jesus, you do not have the credentials. All the Apostles did more than just see Jesus for a moment or even longer, they all studied under Jesus. Even if you saw Jesus in a flash of light, that in itself would not qualify you to be an Apostle of Jesus.

One more comment, I think that anything that can be done to you on these forums is so small that it is an insult to those who have undergone real persecution for the Lord to claim that you are being persecuted.

It is not persecution to not be invited to speak, it is not persecution to tell you you are mistaken. To claim that you are being persecuted here is really a very self serving way to build yourself up.

Marv

 

[Flipper]

If you continue to feed trolls, they grow.