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I found this a powerful speaking in tongues with interpretation.

speaking in tongues with interpretation - YouTube


I believe what happen was the preacher was convicted. The preacher breaks down crying then a man rises up and speaks to him in tongues, then another man interpreters. God was speaking to him and all of us.
 
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Ya that is not Biblical because 1) Not everyone can speak in tongues the Bible is clear no one will have every spiritual gift. All the spiritual gifts are different some people have some others have others you get the idea. 2) The bIble is clear that an interpreter is to be present when speaking in tongues to translate for those who do not have the spiritual gift.

This is why speaking in tongues in the US is just ridiculous! Now on a mission trip to another country to share the gospel ya that would make sense. But this is why I think it is a gift that is very misused and misunderstood. As well as the fact it is often done for personal glorification and attention not for God!
 
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Ya that is not Biblical because 1) Not everyone can speak in tongues the Bible is clear no one will have every spiritual gift. All the spiritual gifts are different some people have some others have others you get the idea. 2) The bIble is clear that an interpreter is to be present when speaking in tongues to translate for those who do not have the spiritual gift.

This is why speaking in tongues in the US is just ridiculous! Now on a mission trip to another country to share the gospel ya that would make sense. But this is why I think it is a gift that is very misused and misunderstood. As well as the fact it is often done for personal glorification and attention not for God!


So could this guys speaking actually be demonic? I mean if he does it by his own will and not The Holy Spirit? I am just trying to understand. Thank you BTW for you input above.

I have prayed for this gift, but I don't have it, and if I did what this guy does the thorn in my side would speak, I can feel it trying. God forbid I allow demonic speak through me.

But you said you speak in tongues does The Holy Spirit just hit you, and bam there it is?
 
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So could this guys speaking actually be demonic? I mean if he does it by his own will and not The Holy Spirit? I am just trying to understand. Thank you BTW for you input above.

I have prayed for this gift, but I don't have it, and if I did what this guy does the thorn in my side would speak, I can feel it trying. God forbid I allow demonic speak through me.

But you said you speak in tongues does The Holy Spirit just hit you, and bam there it is?
No I do not have the gift of tongues I have other gifts but not that one at least not that I know of. But I have never been out of the country nor have I tried to give the gospel to a none English speaking person so IDK.
 
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No I do not have the gift of tongues I have other gifts but not that one at least not that I know of. But I have never been out of the country nor have I tried to give the gospel to a none English speaking person so IDK.

oh I thought you spoke in tongues, my mistake.

I think it is like The Holy Spirit just takes over, but I have never met some one who speaks in tongues.
 
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When I was 15,in church camp,at the altar,seeking all I could from my Savior I praised Him verbally. As I praised my words took an accent,they morphed into a flowing language.

I believe every believer receives the HS at regeneration but there is an empowering(some say baptism) for every believer. However,not every believer has the GIFT of tongues which is used in a congregational setting that takes pause for the one who has the GIFT of interpreting tongues so the message is given. There are lots of Christians that can interpet but in some churches I wouldn't speak out because there was no interpeter that I knew of. When I was younger in a service there would be a tongue and we would pray and wait. Usually the pastor or another member would interpet.
 
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Ya that is not Biblical because 1) Not everyone can speak in tongues the Bible is clear no one will have every spiritual gift. All the spiritual gifts are different some people have some others have others you get the idea. 2) The bIble is clear that an interpreter is to be present when speaking in tongues to translate for those who do not have the spiritual gift.

This is why speaking in tongues in the US is just ridiculous! Now on a mission trip to another country to share the gospel ya that would make sense. But this is why I think it is a gift that is very misused and misunderstood. As well as the fact it is often done for personal glorification and attention not for God!
I agree with you that not all people will speak in tongues because there is a diversity of spiritual gifts that God gives to the body of Christ.

What happened on the day of Pentecost cannot be identified with the 'tongues' of I Cor. 12:11, 30; 14:2, 4, 13, 19, 27 where the 'tongue' either had to be interpreted (12:11, 30; 14:13, 27) or was unknown language, spoken to God for personal edification (14:2, 4). However, I Cor. 13:1 identifies tongues with the languages of men (understandable human languages) and the languages of angels (presumably the communication language of the angels in heaven).


For me, the definitive moment in my interpretation of these sometimes difficult verses came when I studied the Greek language of I Cor. 12:29-30 which uses the Greek negative ‘me’, thus requiring that a negative answer be given to the question, “Do all speak in tongues?” which is confirmed by the NASB translation: “All do not speak with tongues, do they?”

It is true that the gift of interpretation is needed in a public gathering.

However, 1 Cor 14:2, 4 indicate that there are 'tongues' for speaking to God and for personal edification.

However, I cannot agree with your statement,
This is why speaking in tongues in the US is just ridiculous! Now on a mission trip to another country to share the gospel ya that would make sense. But this is why I think it is a gift that is very misused and misunderstood.

Since I lived in the USA for 6 years and a year in Canada, I did not find the gift of tongues to be a 'ridiculous' gift in the churches of which I was a part. I did find misuse because of lack of teaching on this legitimate use.

But there can be misuse and abuse of the pastor-teacher gift as well. Ever heard of false doctrine being taught by a person with the gift of teacher?

However, I do agree with you that '
it is often done for personal glorification and attention not for God!' That's abuse and misuse.

I'm supporting and encouraging the genuine gift of tongues, the gift of interpretation and the gift of discernment for every congregation.

In Christ,
Oz
 
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oh I thought you spoke in tongues, my mistake.

I think it is like The Holy Spirit just takes over, but I have never met some one who speaks in tongues.
However, do you attend a Baptist church that is open to charismatic gifts, including the gift of glossolalia with interpretation?

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My question is if this can be taught why did God not teach it in the Bible?
My understanding is that it should not be taught because it needs to be sought and God gives the gift. We know this from the language used in 1 Cor 12-14 that we should earnestly desire the gifts of the spirit:
Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. (1 Cor 14:1 ESV).
 
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When I was 15,in church camp,at the altar,seeking all I could from my Savior I praised Him verbally. As I praised my words took an accent,they morphed into a flowing language.

I believe every believer receives the HS at regeneration but there is an empowering(some say baptism) for every believer. However,not every believer has the GIFT of tongues which is used in a congregational setting that takes pause for the one who has the GIFT of interpreting tongues so the message is given. There are lots of Christians that can interpet but in some churches I wouldn't speak out because there was no interpeter that I knew of. When I was younger in a service there would be a tongue and we would pray and wait. Usually the pastor or another member would interpet.

see that is what I think it would be like The Holy Spirit takes over.
 
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My understanding is that it should not be taught because it needs to be sought and God gives the gift. We know this from the language used in 1 Cor 12-14 that we should earnestly desire the gifts of the spirit:

Yeah I don't think it is Biblical at all to teach it. nor do I think it can be taught.
 
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When I was 15,in church camp,at the altar,seeking all I could from my Savior I praised Him verbally. As I praised my words took an accent,they morphed into a flowing language.

I believe every believer receives the HS at regeneration but there is an empowering(some say baptism) for every believer. However,not every believer has the GIFT of tongues which is used in a congregational setting that takes pause for the one who has the GIFT of interpreting tongues so the message is given. There are lots of Christians that can interpet but in some churches I wouldn't speak out because there was no interpeter that I knew of. When I was younger in a service there would be a tongue and we would pray and wait. Usually the pastor or another member would interpet.
Then why in Acts 2 dose everyone understand what is being said in their own native language? True scriptural tongues has a purpose and is a lot different then what is being encouraged in a lot of churches today.

1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

If I were to go to Greece and speak in English but the Grecians heard me in Greek, Italians in Italian, French in French, ect. ect. that would be tongues.

I remember reading a book about tounges in which there was a very scary story. A true story. A Pastor from China was visiting a Church in the States and a member of the church "spoke in tongues" or so they all thought. According to this Chinese Pastor this member was speaking Chinese and WAS BLASPHEMEING THE LORD and saying all kinds of wicked things about God. I believe this was a demonic possession. Demons are very old and I'm sure many of them know multiple languages. I have heard of people who are demon possessed speaking in languages they have never learned.

Also remember "Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure." 1 Tim 5:22
 
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Before I tell you this story I should tell you I know these things because my sister brags about them or at least she has bragged about these things in the past.

My biological sister (I was adopted) Beatrice started growing pot in the garage after I left. She has invited members of her church over to get drunk and high, and has "spoken in tongues", or so she thought, while drunk and high. My sister wasn't saved. She did not have the Holy Spirit. So what really happened. Am I saying she was possessed by something other then the Holy Spirit? No. She could have just been deceiving herself and blabbering nonsensical words, deceiving herself into thinking she was speaking tongues when it was gobbledygook. She was drunk and high after all. Although she could have been demon possessed...I wouldn't rule it out.

I would never be a part of a Church that taught people to speak in tongues. The Biblical tongues seem to have come when needed via miracle and do not seem to be something that was taught or practiced regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if God is using this to this day but I don't think it is something we can learn or do without the holy spirit.

Those people "abusing tongues"...I don't think that is legitimate Acts 2 tongues. I think that is people deluding themselves into thinking that they are speaking tongues or possible demonic counterfit.

Bluelion...I went back and checked the other tongues thread. You said your brother spoke in tongues when confronted with the truth before threatening you and that it was unholy correct?
My brother spoke in tongues when confronted with truth, then he threaten me. There was nothing Holy about it in fact it was unholy.
Do you believe this to be possible demonic manifestation? A counterfeit "tongues" like what that Chinese Pastor caught? What happened exactly?

My personal belief is that when demons counterfeit "tongues" they speak one of the many languages they know. They are very old after all and have probably picked up many dialects, not to mention they are spirits.
 
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Before I tell you this story I should tell you I know these things because my sister brags about them or at least she has bragged about these things in the past.

My biological sister (I was adopted) Beatrice started growing pot in the garage after I left. She has invited members of her church over to get drunk and high, and has "spoken in tongues", or so she thought, while drunk and high. My sister wasn't saved. She did not have the Holy Spirit. So what really happened. Am I saying she was possessed by something other then the Holy Spirit? No. She could have just been deceiving herself and blabbering nonsensical words, deceiving herself into thinking she was speaking tongues when it was gobbledygook. She was drunk and high after all. Although she could have been demon possessed...I wouldn't rule it out.

I would never be a part of a Church that taught people to speak in tongues. The Biblical tongues seem to have come when needed via miracle and do not seem to be something that was taught or practiced regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if God is using this to this day but I don't think it is something we can learn or do without the holy spirit.

Those people "abusing tongues"...I don't think that is legitimate Acts 2 tongues. I think that is people deluding themselves into thinking that they are speaking tongues or possible demonic counterfit.

Bluelion...I went back and checked the other tongues thread. You said your brother spoke in tongues when confronted with the truth before threatening you and that it was unholy correct?

Do you believe this to be possible demonic manifestation? A counterfeit "tongues" like what that Chinese Pastor caught? What happened exactly?

My personal belief is that when demons counterfeit "tongues" they speak one of the many languages they know. They are very old after all and have probably picked up many dialects, not to mention they are spirits.

The Spirit of Truth was with me, That is another name for The Holy Spirit if you did not know, all I spoke was truth, it just hit me, and my first that with The Holy Spirit when he started to speak that way was he has a demon. so yes I believe it was demonic.
 
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The Spirit of Truth was with me, That is another name for The Holy Spirit if you did not know, all I spoke was truth, it just hit me, and my first that with The Holy Spirit when he started to speak that way was he has a demon. so yes I believe it was demonic.
I have studied the Occult a little bit (from a Christian prospective of course). Historically ecstatic babbling has been reported as part of pagan worship and the occult throughout the ages. Not to mention as I said...demons are old. They were bound to have picked up many languages. This gift would be very easy to counterfeit for a demon. Satan and his forces like to counterfeit a lot of good, holy things.

I don't know if you remember what I told you about Reggie but he asked me if I had spoke in tongues before. One of the first things he asked me after he asked me for a ride, and money.(Saw the Bible on my dash, asked if I was a Christian, then asked if I had spoke in tongues) He used to be a Pastor. Yet he tried to steal my laptop and my minivan to pay for drugs after I helped him.

I would never use the fact that someone had spoken in tongues as proof of anything one way or the other but there are people who think it is proof one has the holy spirit.
 
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