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Yeah, good point. I have probably prayed with over 100 people to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I always make it clear that their salvation is not dependent upon it. Some receive it quickly and easily, others not so much (there are a variety of reasons for this). There are even some cases where I'm pretty certain they received the baptism, but they still struggle to pray in tongues (usually because they over-think it... like I once did). If someone were to fall into the latter category of struggling with it at first (which is common) AND you attached the pressure of salvation to that struggle. I can see how people could very easily become disheartened and want nothing further to do with it and even become aggressive towards those who do.
I think the problem may be a focus on a word of God the carnal mind can read, instead of experiencing the world becoming flesh in us. Maturity is the way to unity, the bible is there, people read it, and divide over personal interpretations.I would say that when anyone moves away from Hebrews 1:1-2...……......
"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe",
and begins to look for the revelation of God in other ways, he opens the door for error and false teaching based in the opinion of men instead of God's Word.
John !;1..........
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Jesus Christ is the word and you cannot separate the Lord Jesus from His word and Hebrews 1:1 is telling us that today God is speaking through the Bible, which is His word.
I think the problem may be a focus on a word of God the carnal mind can read, instead of experiencing the world becoming flesh in us. Maturity is the way to unity, the bible is there, people read it, and divide over personal interpretations.
I think the problem may be a focus on a word of God the carnal mind can read, instead of experiencing the world becoming flesh in us. Maturity is the way to unity, the bible is there, people read it, and divide over personal interpretations.
That is absolutely NOT a fact, that is a belief and an interpretation that people are welcome to. A fact would be that tongues IS mentioned in the Bible many times and thus IS biblical doctrine. And you have zero bases to generalize everyone who does pray in tongues as being driven by "Emotionalism" when you do not believe in it and have not experienced it yourself (and it is soooo not true, usually it is the opposite). ---SE---The fact is, not just tongues, but all supernatural miracles have ceased when the Bible was completed. These signs were tokens, and as such have passed away with the realization of what they foreshadowed. As Biblical Christians, we are deeply concerned that the practice of speaking in tongues be biblically interpreted and governed by the scriptures. The Word of God is our authority. Thus we cannot be led by the nose by testimonies of man's experiences, anyone's feelings or human reasoning. And the Bible in no way supports today's Speaking in tongues phenomenon.
You might be interested to watch this debate video. If you take notes, then take notes of the scripture passages being discussed and you check it out yourself.So basically it is impossible to understand Holy Spirit gifts such as speaking in tongues, so we make up at least two different possible explanations.
The above post pretends to agree with me then disagrees with me.I have no problem with that thought.
It also maybe that some people like the idea of speaking in tongues because they believe it allows them to be closer to God. Unfortunately the act is one of "Emotionalism" instead of Bible doctrine.
Please do not misunderstand me...….I do not care if anyone speaks in tongues. I am not condemning them in anyway.
All I am saying is that the action does not make one more of a Christian than those who do not do it.
Let us move past our prior beliefs and transgressions and embrace the biblical definition of the miracle of tongues The fact is, not just tongues, but all supernatural miracles have ceased when the Bible was completed. These signs were tokens, and as such have passed away with the realization of what they foreshadowed. As Biblical Christians, we are deeply concerned that the practice of speaking in tongues be biblically interpreted and governed by the scriptures. The Word of God is our authority. Thus we cannot be led by the nose by testimonies of man's experiences, anyone's feelings or human reasoning. And the Bible in no way supports today's Speaking in tongues phenomenon.
An excellent site for learning on tongues is found at ………….
http://mountainretreatorg.net/eschatology/is_speaking_in_tongues_biblical.shtml
The above post pretends to agree with me then disagrees with me.
I continue to disagree with opinions expressed in the above post.
btw, for others following this:
This statement is a claim.
I LOVE THAT!!!!
He looks like ME and his expression is exactly what I was thinking about this subject!!!!
However, I am still wondering why you have not taken the opportunity to respond to the Scriptures posted for you.
I could answer (and have in classes) every single "claim" you make about tongues. I could probably articulate your stance better than you can because I've studied that extensively as well. But, why? You have made it clear you have no interest in learning anything from me, only proving yourself right.
Reading helps:
Who are you to demand I teach you anything when you have done nothing but insult me and those who believe as I do?OK.
I think we all can now see what is going on.
I have extended to you 3 times Bible Scriptures that a person with your stated intelligence and teaching ability should be able to expand upon and you have refused the chance to teach us all what you know about tongues.
I wonder what the word is for that action or rather lack of action.
You just keep contradicting yourself... you tell me that perhaps I should study further, I tell you that I HAVE studied extensively and then you say that doesn't matter??? So, what it really means is I need to study what you think and come to your conclusions in order for it to be valid. You say you make no claims then claim that your stance is fact and doctrine and anything that disagrees with that claim is not. You claim to not care if people do it, but then call it gibberish. That is speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
As far as rudeness, I see nothing in my words, but what I do see is you dismissing a large group of people as operating in "emotionalism" or talking "gibberish", that, is name calling and rudeness.
I could answer (and have in classes) every single "claim" you make about tongues. I could probably articulate your stance better than you can because I've studied that extensively as well. But, why? You have made it clear you have no interest in learning anything from me, only proving yourself right.
Who are you to demand I teach you anything when you have done nothing but insult me and those who believe as I do?
How rude!
You have shown no desire to learn, only to argue. (which you said you had no desire to do... another contradiction)
Are you serious right now???? Really???? Where in the Bible does it say that tongues should be challenged on an internet forum????You said and I quote...……….
"I could answer (and have in classes) every single "claim" you make about tongues."
May I ask you where in the Bible does it say that speaking in tongues should be TAUGHT IN A CLASSROOM??????
1 Corth 12:28...…….
"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongue.".
I was always told that a GIFT was something given. You are saying however that YOU TEACH THE GIFT OF TONGUES.
How does one teach a Gift given by God?????
It seems to me that since you are proficient in this subject you would jump at the opportunity to share your gift of knowledge with all of us.
Am I missing something here????
Are you serious right now???? Really???? Where in the Bible does it say that tongues should be challenged on an internet forum????
I'm seriously wondering if I haven't just completely been bamboozled by a masterful troll.
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