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And accurate.Talking gibberish, pretending, just silly... how very respectful and non-inflammatory.
It is the belief of the AOG and probably others, that the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit is "speaking in tongues". This is in their articles of faith. So this is where the thought of tongues as a requirement comes from and in turn causing the extreme division we see today. After all scripture tells us this:I never hear from any charismatic that tongues was a requirement for salvation.
I've actually worked very closely with *AOG pastors on this very topic and studied their statements of faith, and while I've had my issues with them, I can say with confidence that AOG believes that tongues is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, NOT a requirement for salvation. Although I can see how one could read it that way and be confused. And, that's not to say that there aren't AG pastors out there misrepresenting it, I don't know of any, but it wouldn't surprise me.It is the belief of the AOG and probably others, that the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit is "speaking in tongues". This is in their articles of faith. So this is where the thought of tongues as a requirement comes from and in turn causing the extreme division we see today. After all scripture tells us this:
Romans 8
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
One can imagine, this pressure to speak in other tongues becomes an obsession thus producing a systematic course in the pursuit of this manifestation when all along it is just ONE of the gifts God MAY give a believer.
Artile 8
http://agchurches.org/Sitefiles/Default/RSS/AG.org TOP/Fundamental Truths (cond).pdf
However if you read scripture, it explicitly states that without the Holy Spirit there is no salvation. The problem is the concept of a "second" Holy Spirit baptism. They do not clarify the Holy Spirit dwelling in the believer from their initial belief. There is only one Spirit. They need to add or clarify that "upon conversion the believer receives THE Holy Spirit. It does not say this. Instead there is a concept of the "second" baptism floating around thus creating even more confusion.baptism of the Holy Spirit, NOT a requirement for salvation.
I agree that it can cause confusion. That's why I worked so closely with them on it, because I was teaching on the topic in an AG church and I wanted to be clear what they believed so there would be no issues. This is how I often describe it:However if you read scripture, it explicitly states that without the Holy Spirit there is no salvation. The problem is the concept of a "second" Holy Spirit baptism. They do not clarify the Holy Spirit dwelling in the believer from their initial belief. There is only one Spirit. They need to add or clarify that "upon conversion the believer receives THE Holy Spirit. It does not say this. Instead there is a concept of the "second" baptism floating around thus creating even more confusion.
Blessings
You limit God. He can and does understand everything.He does not understand gibberish, this is why Paul said to pray and sing with your understanding. Ultimately this is what God is looking for. Your understanding.
That is the distinction between “Spirit Within” and “Spirit Upon.” They are distinct in scripture and completely consistent in both testaments. (yes - spirit within happened in the OT)However if you read scripture, it explicitly states that without the Holy Spirit there is no salvation. The problem is the concept of a "second" Holy Spirit baptism. They do not clarify the Holy Spirit dwelling in the believer from their initial belief. There is only one Spirit. They need to add or clarify that "upon conversion the believer receives THE Holy Spirit. It does not say this. Instead there is a concept of the "second" baptism floating around thus creating even more confusion.
Blessings
For the record, I am not a cessationist and spoke in tongues upon conversion at the AOG church.You limit God. He can and does understand everything.
“Gibberish.” The buzz word of cessationists everywhere.
And you misquote Paul. He said:
1 Corinthians 14:15 NKJV
What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.
Paul saw the importance of both.
However if you read scripture, it explicitly states that without the Holy Spirit there is no salvation. The problem is the concept of a "second" Holy Spirit baptism. They do not clarify the Holy Spirit dwelling in the believer from their initial belief. There is only one Spirit. They need to add or clarify that "upon conversion the believer receives THE Holy Spirit. It does not say this. Instead there is a concept of the "second" baptism floating around thus creating even more confusion.
Blessings
Most Biblical references to tongues are not talking about the babble of an unknown tongue but rather a language spoken by someone other than the speaker.While researching Protestant denominations, I learned this interesting bit of information: Most, but not all, evangelicals and Pentecostals believe people still receive gifts from the Holy Spirit - including speaking in tongues - when they are saved. Although speaking in tongues is Biblical I have never heard of any new Christians doing so. The same article states other denominations hold the belief that this stopped a long time ago. This makes sense, but they lump together all Holy Spirit gifts, not just speaking in tongues. I don't believe it is all or nothing. What do you think?
God may perform a miracle anytime He wishes, but not man.Miracles are still performed today. I was just talking about a Holy Spirit gift, not miracles such as healing.
I believe it started with Charles Fox Parham.I never heard of a second Holy Spirit baptism. Where does this come from?
Charles Fox Parham - WikipediaI never heard of a second Holy Spirit baptism. Where does this come from?
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