Speaking in Tongues

[Mountainmanbob]

I would rather believe the Word of God and enjoy the experience He has given me of being baptised in the Holy Spirit and speaking in other tongues

If I may ask?

Where on Christian radio or Christian TV or YouTube can we witness a (solid teacher) speaking in tongues?

I'm open to watch or listen.

Although I hope we are not going to TBN.

M-Bob

 

[quietbloke]

If I may ask?

Where on Christian radio or Christian TV or YouTube can we witness a (solid teacher) speaking in tongues?

I'm open to watch or listen.

Although I hope we are not going to TBN.

M-Bob

Far better to receive the authentic experience ourselves and the Scripture says we can!

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I would rather believe the Word of God and enjoy the experience He has given me of being baptised in the Holy Spirit and speaking in other tongues

That would be a weak answer to an Earnest question asked.
M-Bob

 

[quietbloke]

That would be a weak answer to an Earnest question asked.
M-Bob

Nothing weak about that answer. An earnest answer I would say.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It is certainly true of Assemblies of God

I was converted in the AOG Lower Hutt NZ in 1966. It was then expected that anyone who got converted was to be baptised with the Spirit and speak in tongues. This did not mean, as some suppose today, that speaking in tongues was necessary to be saved.

These days, I believe that speaking in tongues is an evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit. I believe that the principal evidence of the infilling of the Spirit is the fruit of the Spirit observable in the life and conduct of the believer.

Speaking in tongues is part of the toolbox that comes with the enduement of power, along with the other eight spiritual gifts, and the ministries outlined in 1 Corinthians 12. As a mechanic doesn't use all the possible tools for fixing motor vehicles, so the person filled with the Spirit doesn't use all the tools. He uses the ones that fit best into the calling and ministry he has received from the Lord.

It so happens that tongues is a tool that I use because God has called me to prayer and intercession, and it is the best tool for that purpose. But I am not called to a supernatural counselling ministry, so I don't receive the Word of Knowledge or the Word of Wisdom. I am not called into areas where I need supernatural faith or the working of miracles, so they don't happen with me. There have been times when I have been used to give words of prophecy and interpretation of tongues when the Lord has given me the opportunity, but these have not been regular occurrences.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

The only thing "speaking in tongues" meant is that people were using other actual languages to preach about Jesus. It had nothing to do with the flopping around spouting gibberish act that some sects have turned it into. See Acts for details.

This is a specialist forum for Pentecostals who believe in the modern day gift of tongues. It is not for debating whether they are true or not. You are out of order here.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I believe that to be true; but it is NOT the understanding of most classical pentecostal groups.

I used to believe in the classical Pentecostal way of when the Holy Spirit indwells a believer, but after careful study of New Testament Scripture and the examples in Acts, I have changed my opinion and believe that every born again believer is indwelled with the Holy Spirit, although they have not received the enduement of Power side of the Holy Spirit. I take this from the description of the Samaritan revival under Phillip, where the Samaritans were converted, but they needed the Apostles to come and lay hands on them for the enduement of Holy Spirit power.

 

[Dave-W]

Indeed. Oscar: I suggest you read a book by Presbyterian pastors Z Brad Long and Doug McMurry called “Receiving the Power.” It has a chapter devoted to the difference between “Spirit Within” and “Spirit upon.”

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Indeed. Oscar: I suggest you read a book by Presbyterian pastors Z Brad Long and Doug McMurry called “Receiving the Power.” It has a chapter devoted to the difference between “Spirit Within” and “Spirit upon.”

OK. I'll see if I can get hold of it.

 

[Godcrazy]

Greetings, I have come back to the Lord after being away, doing a lot I shouldn't have. But I have never been baptised. I was baptised as a child, a baby. And in jehowas witnesses, who I left. WhenWI tried to find out if I was to be baptised or not I was faced with so many contradictory meanings and was more or less talked away. Then I fell due to the coldness in the church as that church was dead. Straight from there, to the occult, which I've been involved in previously. It all started with a shamanic witch. She did a psychic reading.
I was deeply into the new age and the occult for years It's a miracle God woke me up, but I've never stopped believing, and I couldn't deny jesus ever, neither the holy spirit. It just did not made sense to me that the new age tried to make me believe.
But I've not been baptised in the holy spirit but I have heard tongues in my head, but never said anything. I have experience with people being healed when I put my hands on them and cast demons out. Knowledge also keep pouring forth. But of course, there are ongoing issues, that I won't mention now but I have just learnt I need to renounce, and write to the jehjeho witnesses and say I'm left as I just left. And renounce being a girl scout which I had no idea I had to renounce together with all the entities and demons ever connected to the occocc and the new age. That was totally new. Anything else? I have done what I know. .

 

[quietbloke]

Praying for you 'Godcrazy' and so glad that you have come back to the Lord. Praying that God will bless you as you are obedient to Him and grow in Him

 

[Godcrazy]

Thank you very much =)
Yes, it's a miracle, and I want to if God willing use my experiences to warn others about the new age and the occult, as well as revival. He's always worked strong with me. Especially the young are so vulnerable with all the occult everywhere. I've always had this I want to do radical things for the Lord. Not forgetting the rest obviously. But when you've been in it, and when you've seen what God can do you want to continue I can't believe where I've been. It's literally like I've had something put over me and keeping me in shackles. I don't know when or how, it sneaked in. Like, read a little, and you have some, say something about it and you get more I understand now that it really matters what we think and what we speak and read about, as well as our actions. Because that's how it crept in with me. Oh, it's not dangerous, you can read it, you know where you stand. It's a lie It does affect. The spiritual ties the entities or energy behind that's how, it gets ties in with you that way. Unless, God has told you to and you know you're protected From there things were just a snowball. All of a sudden, I had new age friends! And they weren't as badly behaving as what I unfortunately experienced. I should have prayed for their souls as it would have saved me but there were noone around, who knew deeper the spiritual meanings and I didn't. Thanks to Christians who dare who knows God has really opened my mind. And now even with or without knowledge is coming.
It's So easy to be decieved by new age! It's everywhere! And it's even in the churches. Mixed. As the wheat and the tar My spirit gets so upset about that. It's everywhere like a disease. I can't believe I've been there.
What do you suggest I do if that happens I don't get the tounges and more fire (as obviously I have some) when baptised? Do you need to have a delivery then ?

 

[Godcrazy]

There's another thing I wonder about, when I was away from God, I met a man who did believe in God, but in new age. Very nice and godlike but with a twisted gnosticism. He said the he would marry me and we lived almost like married for several years. He has mental health issues and physical issues. Because of this he moved out, still coming and going. We always had separate bedrooms, and nothing happened, until the end, where he started to hear voices, telling him what to do and not to do. Yes we know don't we. They made him do many things he'd normally never do like smoking, go to bed with me, not visiting me hallucinate gibberish and lies, saying other people would live in us etc. All a mess. He's had a severe traumatic childhood. He didn't like my bible and started to criticise that and said "you believe in HIM" and when I pray he really started. He didn't want me to pray over him so a deliverance would be difficult. And he's a big tall man. Speaking of that, he's got the strength of eight men he's told me regarding several incidents. He's even told me that something came into him a few times as a child. Yes I bet.
But the thing is, am I married to him or not or should we do it. I've said to God as he knows I still love him, and I know that he loves me under it all, that if things change..
But we're not teqnically married We never got to there.
Right now he's living at a home for homeless men, in a tiny room. He's saying he can get free help with himself that way. Free medical and psychological help, and applying waiting for benefits where he's hoping for disabled benefits. I've seen the pain he's in physical and mental He broke his back several times as a child and it never grew right as he didn't receive treatment, as his parents neglected him. So he's in a nightmare pain. Mentally he's just as bad. I've done what I can to help. He's been diagnosed fibromyalgia and aspergers Highly functional though. I'm sure there's more. I feel so sorry for him. Myself I have health issues physically still I'm working. My cronic fatigue kills me.
I've said to him, I'm here if he wants to talk or need help. He wanted to come recently to talk but in the same moment he was hit with severe pain! Yes we know. Obviously the evil tries to keep him away from me. It doesn't make it better, that a guy in the occult made him leave while I was still in it, and got involved in him, spirituality. I didn't want him to but spirituality he wanted me to himself. Long story. That guy is completely evil. So yes any prayers are appreciated.
But question is what do I do with him?

 

[quietbloke]

There's another thing I wonder about, when I was away from God, I met a man who did believe in God, but in new age. Very nice and godlike but with a twisted gnosticism. He said the he would marry me and we lived almost like married for several years. He has mental health issues and physical issues. Because of this he moved out, still coming and going. We always had separate bedrooms, and nothing happened, until the end, where he started to hear voices, telling him what to do and not to do. Yes we know don't we. They made him do many things he'd normally never do like smoking, go to bed with me, not visiting me hallucinate gibberish and lies, saying other people would live in us etc. All a mess. He's had a severe traumatic childhood. He didn't like my bible and started to criticise that and said "you believe in HIM" and when I pray he really started. He didn't want me to pray over him so a deliverance would be difficult. And he's a big tall man. Speaking of that, he's got the strength of eight men he's told me regarding several incidents. He's even told me that something came into him a few times as a child. Yes I bet.
But the thing is, am I married to him or not or should we do it. I've said to God as he knows I still love him, and I know that he loves me under it all, that if things change..
But we're not teqnically married We never got to there.
Right now he's living at a home for homeless men, in a tiny room. He's saying he can get free help with himself that way. Free medical and psychological help, and applying waiting for benefits where he's hoping for disabled benefits. I've seen the pain he's in physical and mental He broke his back several times as a child and it never grew right as he didn't receive treatment, as his parents neglected him. So he's in a nightmare pain. Mentally he's just as bad. I've done what I can to help. He's been diagnosed fibromyalgia and aspergers Highly functional though. I'm sure there's more. I feel so sorry for him. Myself I have health issues physically still I'm working. My cronic fatigue kills me.
I've said to him, I'm here if he wants to talk or need help. He wanted to come recently to talk but in the same moment he was hit with severe pain! Yes we know. Obviously the evil tries to keep him away from me. It doesn't make it better, that a guy in the occult made him leave while I was still in it, and got involved in him, spirituality. I didn't want him to but spirituality he wanted me to himself. Long story. That guy is completely evil. So yes any prayers are appreciated.
But question is what do I do with him?

It's so tough for you,but you really need to keep away from these men,who will do you no good. Keep close with the Lord and he will lead you. Get into a Bible believing church. Study the Word and pray and fellowship with true believers who will care for you and help you. We are praying for you.

 

[Godcrazy]

Yes I wish I would have seen it before, but, as we know..
I'm not going to seek out any unbelieving man, as naturally, that's not exactly interesting to me, as its too far away from me now, but I don't know though, about the scripture regarding unequivocally joked. As there are so many Christian camps almost regarding the issue. One says no screaming one says offer meat and not about marriage, yet another opinion. Whos right, and not? It doesn't help, that in the most cases, except for the few I've experienced, there's not been much difference between non believers and believers. We know there is, but in regards to men or people generally I've seen few changes unfortunately Which makes you just ponder more. Actually getting scared as well for a Christian guy!

But yes I wish id known. I'm just not sure it would been better. Those Christians I dated tried to take advantage. Only one didn't and he had impossible beauty standards to the point he was still single and a virgin at 40, and turned out to have a sexual addiction and keep on telling me what he wants to do. Sigh.

Thank you so much for your prayers!

 

[Godcrazy]

Im quite scared going to church, i will, though but I have many negative experiences, I have been in dead churches, and it took me a while to get out as I had no knowledge. Suffering instead. One God warned them through me, but it ended up being me frozen out. As a single person it's naturally harder as well. Another church close to me, another Christian man taking advantage, and the church said they knew he'd done it to many. When I was not coming i was like shunned. All my friends.
I don't know I probably have too much pain in my heart for the spirit to come through. Plenty of childhood pain as well. Anyway. Please pray for my health and that I dont end up lonely as is now, all I have is God and one new age friend and a long time non Christian friend in my home country.
Thank you so much for your prayers

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yes I wish I would have seen it before, but, as we know..
I'm not going to seek out any unbelieving man, as naturally, that's not exactly interesting to me, as its too far away from me now, but I don't know though, about the scripture regarding unequivocally joked. As there are so many Christian camps almost regarding the issue. One says no screaming one says offer meat and not about marriage, yet another opinion. Whos right, and not? It doesn't help, that in the most cases, except for the few I've experienced, there's not been much difference between non believers and believers. We know there is, but in regards to men or people generally I've seen few changes unfortunately Which makes you just ponder more. Actually getting scared as well for a Christian guy!

But yes I wish id known. I'm just not sure it would been better. Those Christians I dated tried to take advantage. Only one didn't and he had impossible beauty standards to the point he was still single and a virgin at 40, and turned out to have a sexual addiction and keep on telling me what he wants to do. Sigh.

Thank you so much for your prayers!

I don't think you need deliverance. 1 John 1:9 says that if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I think you have done a pretty good job of that here. But to be on the safe side, I suggest that you repeat everything you have said here to God, and you will feel that weight lift off you. He is within earshot of your voice. The Scripture says, "His eye is on the righteous (in Christ), and His ears are open to their prayers." He loves to hear about all the good, bad and ugly about your life. It is because Jesus died for you and took away the punishment and shame of sin that you can have the courage and boldness to tell God everything, even exposing the skeletons in your closet!

AOG doctrine says that the baptism with the Spirit is a subsequent event after conversion. Others believe you get Him at conversion. Doesn't really matter which, but to be sure, here are some steps to receiving.
1. Believe that it is God's will for you, including tongues.
2. Ask for the baptism and tongues ("Everything by prayer and supplication make your requests to God."
3. Receive the baptism and tongues into your life. ("He or she who asks, receives") Your prayer here would be: "I now receive the baptism with the Spirit and tongues into my life right now!"

At this point you are baptised with the Spirit. Because it happens in your spirit, you don't necessarily have to feel anything. It comes through faith. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy and peace, so it will not be surprising that you will feel those things when your faith takes hold.

Now, you can speak in tongues, and because you have taken the Scriptural steps of faith, you cannot receive anything other than the genuine gift. So, if those words are still in your head, speak them out and don't stop speaking. You own unique language will flow out.

Don't wait for some mysterious force to move your mouth. That will not be of God. But you have to activate your faith by doing the speaking, and then the flow of language will come out of your inner being.

If you have trouble knowing how to start, you can "prime the pump" with these words:

Rebusunda kawandi neemundaya kitawanga tamandai.

These are words in my tongue, and when you say them and get used to saying them, and then use them as your springboard to start speaking and not stop, you will leave my words behind, and your own unique language will flow out.

Try it, and see what happens. You will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Godcrazy]

I did, the peace and joy come, feel like cotton in the mouth, said the words, seems so familiar like I've always heard them! But when comico to do it imI stuck. It doesn't come.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I did, the peace and joy come, feel like cotton in the mouth, said the words, seems so familiar like I've always heard them! But when comico to do it imI stuck. It doesn't come.

It will feel unfamiliar for a start, but activating faith sometimes takes determination and effort until the flow comes. It's like pouring water into the top of an old fashioned artesian water pump to prime it while pumping furiously on the handle. Then the underground water rises to the surface and pours out the pump. The key is to keep speaking and not stop.

Some may not agree (especially the purists who believe the Holy Spirit has to do everything), but after taking the steps of faith, you activate your faith by speaking what you can and continue making up the language. This is also priming the punp. When the flow comes, you lose the sense of making it up, because it is flowing out of you.

Keep at it, and don't give up. Remember the Scripture, "Folks always ought to pray and not give up (or faint)!"

 

[Godcrazy]

I guess I have to practice. It's hard when you haven't done it even when I had so many other signs. Healing, deliverance, etc.