Speaking in Tongues

[kathleen7]

I understand what you're saying Lambslove. I have seen churches totally out of "order" everyone carrying on in what they consider to be tongues making weird noises and such-this gives us charismatics a definately weird rep, sigh. There should always be interpretation! What you are talking about is when someone speaks in the tongues of men... when they don't know the language... read the scriptures in my earlier post ok? I agree with you that this is speaking in tongues and very beneficial! What a blessing... but, I also propose there is a heavenly prayer language only understood by God... read 1 Corinthians and the other scriptures I've listed if you are truely interested. This is a hard subject to understand without in depth study. (please don't take last statement the wrong way- i seem to have already offended without meaning to).

 

[ZiSunka]

"If I could speak in any language in heaven or on earth but didn't love others, I would only be making meaningless noise like a loud gong or a clanging cymbal."

This doesn't say anything about speaking a special language that only God understands.

 

[Dave Ulchers]

The "language of angels" is Hebrew, BTW.

 

[ZiSunka]

"If I could speak in any language in heaven or on earth but didn't love others, I would only be making meaningless noise like a loud gong or a clanging cymbal."

This doesn't say anything about speaking a special language that only God understands.

A person who speaks in tongues is strengthened personally in the Lord, but one who speaks a word of teaching strengthens the entire church. I wish you all had the gift of speaking in tongues, but even more I wish you were all able to teach. For teaching is a greater and more useful gift than speaking in tongues, unless someone interprets what you are saying so that the whole church can get some good out of it.

Hmm, it really sounds like he is saying that being able to understand and teach the word is better than speaking in tongues. And if you read the whole chapter, it looks like he's saying not to get all hung up on speaking in tongues. In fact, here is the thesis statement of that whole chapter:

Let love be your highest goal, but also desire the special abilities the Spirit gives, especially the gift of teaching. 1 Corinthians 14: 1

So why is that speaking in tongues seems so much more important to many Christians, so much that they divide who is and who isn't filled with the Holy Spirit by it?

 

[kathleen7]

speaking in tongues isn't meant to divide christians at all... it is a gift of the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost (depends on your translation of the Bible) if I could choose one of the gifts of the Spirit, I'd personally pray for the gift of healing and prophecy ... but lambslove, we are all part of one body in Christ (read 1Corinthians 12.. all of it!)... no one part is more important than the other! These gifts are for unification of the body not division!

 

[zamar]

No Dave,
Hebrew is a language of man.

Z

 

[ZiSunka]

I agree with you kathleen, the gifts are not meant to divide, but I have been in churches where a new believer had to demonstrate their ability to speak in tongues, or membership and baptism was denied to them! It's sad, and I know that WE don't agree with that, but there are churches where speaking in tongues is grossly abused, and those are the cases that irk me. I DO believe in speaking in tongues, but I don't think that ALL the tongue-speaking these days is from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dave Ulchers]

Originally posted by zamar
No Dave, Hebrew is a language of man.

Duh. But the ancient Jews believed that was the language of the angels. Hence Paul's turn of phrase.

 

[zamar]

I disagree with your opinion.

Z

 

[Dave Ulchers]

Then I leave you to your ignornace.

Luke 2:73-8

And the angel said unto Mary, "Tfio meltsas thesda!"
And Mary said unto him, "What??"
And lo, the angel said, "Tfi-o melt-sas thesda?"
to which Mary responded, "Theo what now?"
And Gabriel did flapeth his wings and cried, "THESDA! Tfio meltas!!"
And Our Lady spoke slowly unto the angel saying, "Dooo yooouu speeak Heee-brew?"

 

[ZiSunka]

That's mean dave. Could you say that in a less judgemental and antagonistic way?

 

[Dave Ulchers]

How about: "I pray that someday we shall both know the truth." Better? I think that statement is kind of two-faced complared to what I originally wrote.... I'm really not good at diplomacy!

 

[ZiSunka]

How about, "let's just disagree until we learn more or can ask God ourselves."

 

[tom]

the bible clearly talks about it in reguards t speakingin toungs it should help you understand more.

 

[Dave Ulchers]

Oh, lambslove. I'm not going to pretend what I said wasn't the truth in order to spare anyone's feelings. I think that would do them even more of a disservice.

 

[ZiSunka]

I hope that you are dead-set correct then. Otherwise, you're going to be doing some explaining to God someday about why you dissed a brother when you didn't have to.

 

[zamar]

The great thing about serving God is that He gives us all things that pertain to life and Godliness. That includes a prayer language whereby we may pray the perfect will of God for any given situation.

Z

 

[ZiSunka]

You're not saying that God doesn't understand us when we pray in any other language, are you zamar? Or that we'll get less than His perfect will if we don't pray "in tongues"?

Can you back that idea up with scripture?

 

[Dave Ulchers]

Originally posted by lambslove
Otherwise, you're going to be doing some explaining to God....

I'd better brush up on my Hebrew then!

It would be just as bad for me if I am right, not to stand up for truth, is all I'm saying. Then I'd have to explain to God why I didn't do everything in my power to convince zamar of the truth. "Damned if you do...."

 

[ZiSunka]

But you can be nice and stand up for what is right, can't you?