Speaking In Tongues

[ZiSunka]

That would be great but don't go to any trouble over it. Thanks!

No trouble. I should get in touch with him anyway. I'm a little ashamed that I let such a close friend "get away."

 

[rural_preacher]

BT,

I posted this link toward the beginning of this thread, but I thought it might be worth mentioning again. This is an excellent article on the subject of tongues by Lehman Strauss. If he is not a name that you are familiar with...he's worth getting to know (so to speak). My parents knew him personally...great warrior of the faith.

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=393

Lehman Strauss was a well known Bible teacher and writer in the USA. He was the teacher on the nationally weekly broadcast, "Bible Study Time." He made various visits to the UK.
Strauss taught Old Testament history for eight years at Philadelphia Bible Institute, and served as pastor of the Calvary Baptist Church, Bristol, Pennsylvania, from 1939 to 1957. He was pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church (Highland Park, Michigan) until the end of 1963 when he resigned to devote full time to an itinerant Bible conference work.

He was residing in Florida and writing his 19th book at age 86 when he went home to be with Christ in June 1997.

 

[BT]

Hey thanks preacher! Sounds great, I'm always looking for writings from guys like Strauss! I'll give it a read right away!

 

[JVD]

While there was a gift of tongues in the NT...there is no way to know that the babble used today is that gift of tongues. In fact, almost all rational methods to confirm the gift of tongues for today lead one to believe that itis false.

So what does that say? It says that a huge percentage of evangelical christians are chasing after signs. Many of these same people start searching for more signs and in the same way they accept babbling as tongues, they accept all sorts of other things. I don't think it will lead to revival...it will eventually lead to disallusion.

 

[2Timothy2]

A) Sign Gifts served to authenticate the Apostles while there was no written Word, B) Sign gifts served a limited purpose, C) The sign gifts would be replaced with a far greater gift (The Bible).

Oops, I know this isn't what you meant BT. But just to clarify: God's word had not yet been completed, but they did have the Old Testament, the Law and the Prophets, which spoke of Christ.

I still think it is a stretch to apply the "that which is perfect" to the closing of the canon. "We know in part" and "then that which is in part shall be done away", has our ability to know been eliminated by the completion of God's word? I know many Christians who act like it, but this isn't really the case, or isn't suppolsed to be.

 

[Iosias]

Where does it say that? it says when the perfect is come,then that which in part shall be done away-meaning the 2nd coming of Christ

I said read carefully the above! Where is tongues cited as being in part?

 

[BT]

Oops, I know this isn't what you meant BT. But just to clarify: God's word had not yet been completed, but they did have the Old Testament, the Law and the Prophets, which spoke of Christ.

I still think it is a stretch to apply the "that which is perfect" to the closing of the canon. "We know in part" and "then that which is in part shall be done away", has our ability to know been eliminated by the completion of God's word? I know many Christians who act like it, but this isn't really the case, or isn't suppolsed to be.

That's a good point Timothy. They yet had to Old Testament but they were living out/writing the New. During the time that they were beginning to spread the word (much like in our day) there were hordes of "sects" of false teachers who also used the Old Testament (we see this in Acts 5:36-37). The idea of signs and wonders has always been a reinforcing act that showed God was speaking, it got the attention in an undeniable way. False teachers have always been around, and will always be around until the end. The Old Testament pointed towards Christ but even this part of the revelation wasn't complete. We know that these images or types of Christ exist in the Old Testament but to the Israelites at that time they were still a "shadow" (Hebrews 10:1). God used the signs to spread His word and get the attention of the people. This is the same reason that Jesus performed signs and wonders Acts 2:22 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:" (I have a sermon about "signs and wonders" on the website.. follow my url in my profile if you want to hear it..)...

for the second part..

"Knowledge" here refers to the supernatural gift of knowledge (1 Cor. 12:8), not common knowledge (which I agree seems to have passed away as well in some cases). So I would answer, yes knowledge has been eliminated as a particular gift of the Holy Spirit with the completion of God's revelation.

 

[BT]

Just a bit of levity.. but

la la la la

 

[ZiSunka]

Interesting article by a linguistics prof (not my friend Jim, though. Still looking for him)
http://www.anomalist.com/features/tongues.html

An excellent position paper on the subject:
http://www.mvbible.org/resources1giftoftongues.htm

 

[BT]

Interesting article by a linguistics prof (not my friend Jim, though. Still looking for him)http://www.anomalist.com/features/tongues.html

Hey good article. He makes some good points. Unfortunately when you get to the bottom of the page you read (of the author):

*JOEL BJORLING is a specialist in the field of new and alternative religions. His books include Consulting Spirits, Reincarnation: A Bibliography, and Channeling: A Bibliographic Exploration


**shudder**

 

[ZiSunka]

Hey good article. He makes some good points. Unfortunately when you get to the bottom of the page you read (of the author):

*JOEL BJORLING is a specialist in the field of new and alternative religions. His books include Consulting Spirits, Reincarnation: A Bibliography, and Channeling: A Bibliographic Exploration


**shudder**

Guess I missed that part.

 

[BT]

Yeah he's a nut, but he still makes some good points. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water I suppose.

 

[ZiSunka]

What did you think of the other link. It's a church's position paper on speaking in tongues. I'm getting quite an education on glossalia!

 

[BT]

Hrmm. I think I missed that link. Lemme see if I can find it.

 

[ZiSunka]

Nither kan aye!

 

[@@Paul@@]

I can spell, I just met by words crossed up.

 

[Glorianna]

Hey,I've posted this in a couple of different places on these fourms,but i thought posting it here couldent hurt,because i grew up in a Baptist church-which said speaking in tounges isnt used anymore,but i've come to doubt and wanting to find out for my selfalmost everything they taught me,..so yeah


Now they say that verse 10 is refering to when the Bible is complete,the gifts will go away,but that makes no sense to me,because then prophecies&knowlege would have to be abolished at the same time,which obviously hasnt happened yet.I read this thing that makes way more sense,that verse 10 is refering to the Second Coming of Christ after the rapture,because then we would have no need for speaking in toungs if Christ was right there,correct?

and help would be greatly appreciated,thanks


--rich

I think that's what it means!