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IMHO, speaking "lovingly" includes speaking respectfully.
And respectfully means truthfully.
IMHO, dogmatically insisting on unsubstantiated, late rumors lacks truth, respect or love. In spite of the sincere intention.
Someone MAY desire to flatter me by telling others that I have a Ph.D. from Harvard. I don't. Thus, such doesn't flatter me, it embarrass me and is disrespectful to the truth (I have a B.S - no jokes please - from the University of California). You INTENTION may be good, but the result is not. My mommie taught me to always ask, "Is it true and is it helpful?" She told me to not spread rumors - even well intentioned ones. And I try not to do that - especially about one whom I love, adore and hold in highest esteem, such as Our Blessed Lady.
That's MY perspective, anyway....
Pax
- Josiah
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I could not agree more.....If Mary could speak to us now....there is no doubt in my mind that she would ask that we destroy the Graven Images we have made of her unto ourselves.
That we not worship or pray to her....that instead we worship or pray to God...for she is but a fellow servant like us.
No doubts about that in my mind at all......
I speak to Christ Directly....because he is the only mediator between God and Man, and because what ever is asked in his name is granted.....however I do not put the Lord to the test when I speak to him of anything I need help with.
Why would I need somebody to pray for me ? the master I serve is all powerfull, and was given all authority in Heaven and on Earth by the Father himself.
For who has resisted his intention....
were do we have any reference to pray to the dead or ask the dead to pray for us?
if i need to change the wording then "the asleep in christ" and if they are asleep they are not listing...no need for insults
you only pray to God??? Interestingly enough that's not biblical.
LOL, I think she meant instead of praying to God herself, not that she doesn't want people to pray for her.Why do yo need others to pray for you? Because that is what the Bible says to do. To pray for each other.
Peace
ROFL, no one will ever be as sure as you.quote=lionroar0; The dead? Are you sure your christian?
Christ conquered death. This is a basic christian belive.
So yo don't ask others to pray for you, because you only pray to God??? Interestingly enough that's not biblical.SpiritDriven said:I could not agree more!Josiah said:IMHO, speaking "lovingly" includes speaking respectfully.
And respectfully means truthfully.
IMHO, dogmatically insisting on unsubstantiated, late rumors lacks truth, respect or love. In spite of the sincere intention.
Someone MAY desire to flatter me by telling others that I have a Ph.D. from Harvard. I don't. Thus, such doesn't flatter me, it embarrass me and is disrespectful to the truth (I have a B.S - no jokes please - from the University of California). You INTENTION may be good, but the result is not. My mommie taught me to always ask, "Is it true and is it helpful?" She told me to not spread rumors - even well intentioned ones. And I try not to do that - especially about one whom I love, adore and hold in highest esteem, such as Our Blessed Lady.
Would you please list some examples from the Bible where people prayed TO someone/something other than God?
Thank you.
Pax
- Josiah
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yes... and the twisting of it is a basic Catholic tactic. Although eternally alive, those who have passed on before us, are mortally, quite dead. That is what they meant... the usual smoke and mirrors of "they aren't dead" doesn't change the point.The dead? Are you sure your christian?
Christ conquered death. This is a basic christian belive.
Peace
both true, and false.every time the word "ask, entreat, etc." is used; these words are synonyms of "pray" in English.
then you should know well enough not to blend the meanings.as I've pointed out before, there are words aprox. five diff words in the NT that refer to prayer; some refer only to God, some to others as well.
then you should know well enough not to blend the meanings.
I know the difference
the popular English definition of prayer has evolved, but the dictionary still includes "ask" as one. In my parish, the NT terms are still used (in the Greek); it seems instead that English has failed to expand in accord with the NT
yes... and the twisting of it is a basic Catholic tactic. Although eternally alive, those who have passed on before us, are mortally, quite dead. That is what they meant... the usual smoke and mirrors of "they aren't dead" doesn't change the point.
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