Speak in Tongues - essential :

[Marvin Knox]

Show me the text in Acts 2 where it says they were praising God?

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WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY:
Definition of praise

praising

1. transitive verb
2. 1 : to express a favorable judgment of
   
   
3. 2 : to glorify (a god or saint) especially by the attribution of perfections
   

 

[redleghunter]

You seem to have majored on this subject and made it a prime agenda of yours to undermine it.

Nothing wrong with investigating I suppose.

It's just kind of freaky to know that a fellow believer is supposedly entering into fellowship and prayer when he is really only there with fellow believers to analyze them and undermine their theology.

But none the less, it seems that you know a lot more about just how tongues is used by the Holy Spirit then the scriptures lay out for us.

You do understand quite rightly that there was but one language before Babel.

You are quite sure based on this that the disciples at Pentecost would have been speaking just exactly that original language if it is related to Babel as I have suggested as a possibility. This in spite of the fact that various nations will still be in existence in eternity as per the Book of Revelation.

Apparently you've got an inside track on just how different languages could have been assigned by the Holy Spirit to be spoken and understood by each people group at Babel and how it will work in eternity.

By the way --- I never stated that it was related to a reversal of Babel.

You can keep believing that the giving of the Holy Spirit in the salvation sense comes by tarrying, baptism, or the laying on of hands by special people.

I believe salvation comes purely by inscrutable grace and without the participation of others. It is purely by faith.

I choose to believe that these incidents in Acts were post salvation experiences.

I also choose to believe that the logical interpretation for just what kind of tongues went on in church services and private prayer at Corinth is not that they are known languages.

I further believe that Jesus meant for us to do exactly as He said we could do regarding asking for and receiving the Holy Spirit. I don't believe that the Lord would give me a rock or a serpent if I did so.

I further do not believe that the asking for and receiving the Holy Spirit post belief has anything to do with salvation itself but is only for ministry as it was for the Lord Himself.

If you don't want to enter into these things by faith - that's completely up to you.

But you are wrong in your spouting of the non-charismatic party line and that's all you are doing IMO - no rethinking the issues for you apparently.

It is my belief that the plain sense of tongues at Pentecost and elsewhere in the Book of Acts and also in the church at Corinth is much more in line with the charismatic interpretation than it is with your party line interpretation.

Marvin you are applying things and ideas I have not advocated on this thread.

I have not joined Bible studies and prayer groups to analyze people. I was invited by brothers and sisters in Christ.

I presented the texts and the plain meaning does not match up with what you are advocating.

 

[redleghunter]

Sorry, but the tongues on Pentecost was the sign of tongues in praises TO God, but in this instance the devout Jews were each sovereignly given the gift of interpretation of tongues, that sometimes is manifested for the interpretation to understand (ALL OF) THEM speaking their own language.

Yet there is no evidence of this in Acts 2.

 

[1miraclechild]

Thanks swordsman1,
For your Answer, It sure is Appreciated; God bless you!
love & prayers ;-) Rebecca


Another Day Closer To Heaven

 

[1miraclechild]

I was in a similar situation as the one you are in or a great many years.

I have been around charismatic doctrine for most of my life and yet I did not speak in tongues. I even questioned whether some of the manifestations were real or just human proclivities.

I asked many times for the Lord to give me the ability - if it was truly from Him.

I saw it in scripture but could not see it in my own life.

I found myself in a situation where I was making a very long commute of several hours every few days.

I spent my time listening to the Word of God on tape, listening to praise music and praying to the Lord.

I remember telling Him that i could do as well imitating the tongues I heard spoken in charismatic circles as they could do. In other words what I was hearing was not real and I could mimic it if I wished to.

The Lord "told" me that the reason I could imitate it so well was because my ability to do so was the gift itself being manifested.

I stepped out in faith realizing that the Word of God assured me that I had nothing to fear by doing so.

I began to pray in tongues at length and discovered in time that I too had the gift or the ability to speak and pray in tongues.

My view on the matter has drastically changed since that morning.

 

[redleghunter]

"We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY:
Definition of praise

praising

1. transitive verb
2. 1 : to express a favorable judgment of
   
   
3. 2 : to glorify (a god or saint) especially by the attribution of perfections

And what were these wonderful works of God? Answer....Peter explains it in the next set of verses. Which means the wonderful works of God is the Gospel.

In Acts chapter 3 Luke uses "walking and leaping and praising God" when a man is healed. Yet no such statement in Acts 2.

 

[1miraclechild]

Thanks brother Marvin,
I Too was Wondering that Perhaps Some of it was Done in Pretense as Well; Thanks for Helping me to Understand Speaking in Tongues a Little Better. I Have Also Asked Our Father, God in Jesus' holy name to Help me to Speak in Tongues!
love & prayers ;-) Rebecca


Another Day Closer To Heaven

 

[Radrook]

The sounds made at Pentecost were real languages-not chirpings, howling's, barkings, gruntings, snarlings and yowls. Neither are the people at Pentecost described as losing control of themselves, dropping to the floor and rolling on the ground.

Acts 2:8-11, "And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."

Speaking In Tongues EXPOSED!

 

[1miraclechild]

Yet there is no evidence of this in Acts 2.

 

[DamianWarS]

When you use the term "baptism of the Holy Spirit" are you using such as synonymous with speaking in tongues? That seems to be the point of the OP. And my point has been to point out speaking in tongues is 'a' gift and not 'the only' gift. I gave the supporting Scriptures I would appreciate you outline your doctrine applying exegesis.

looking at Acts the baptism of the HS seem to indiscriminately be poured out and all have the same manifestations (tongues being a common one) Acts doesn't ever use the language as gifts of the HS as 1 Corinthians does nor does it's roles seem to be the same as 1 corinthians. As already mentioned it appears the roles in Acts is evangelistic in nature and in Corinthians edification in nature.

Acts uses the gift of the HS (dorea) and Corinthians uses gifts of the HS (charisma). dorea is gift in the simple sense and is not used to identify specific manifestations of the HS but is about the gift of the HS a general sense. charisma is the word translated as "gifts" this is the same word translated as "gift" or "free gift" in Rom 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." the word comes from charis which means grace and Rom 6:23 uses it for salvation so the charisma of the HS seems to be uniquely connection with salvation and grace like grace given gifts from the infilling of the HS upon salvation.

Charisma is not used in Acts and what we see manifested doesn't line up with the charisma of the HS. Charisma seems to be connected with the infilling of the HS upon salvation where the baptism of the HS is a separate experience like short bursts of manifested power through us for a more evangelistic role. These don't seem to be gifts of the HS spirit at all. So when in Acts when it says all spoke and tongues and prophesied I don't see this as saying these received the charisma of tongues of the charisma of prophecy but rather the immediate product of the baptism of the HS not the same as the charisma of the HS.

Corinthians teaches on this specifically but Acts does not so you look at the two of them and see how they differ to develop what the baptism of the HS looks like in comparison to the charisma of the HS. They don't fit together so you have to read all the accounts of the baptism of the HS and pull what can be deduced as how the HS operates in this role. This isn't to confirm things like rolling around laughing or throwing "in the spirit" at the end of things. This is biblical look at how the baptism of the HS operates

 

[ChristianIssues]

It is commonly believed that tongues will continue until Jesus returns but the following little blog shows clearly that God targeted tongues to cease before Jesus returns. The blog is at
Speaking in Tongues – Ceasing and Remaining | Christian Issues

 

[1miraclechild]

:'( Sorry sister 1stcenturylady,
I Do Not Understand What you're Saying; Please Help me to Understand?
love & prayers ;-) Rebecca

P.S. Are you Stating Speaking in Tongues Is Not Necessary Now?


Another Day Closer To Heaven

 

[Waggles]

@Saint JOHN
The biggest problem, and it is quite a headache, is that non-Pentecostals who have no discernment,
neither any actual experience in a true-blue Pentecostal church, nor can they speak in tongues and
also do not exercise any of the gifts given to the church - such non-believers consider themselves
experts on these matters and end up trashing and mocking the gospel and spirituality preached by
Jesus and the Apostles.

There are other Forum sections specifically set aside for denominations and doctrine subjects

• Pentecostal & Assemblies Of God
• Pentecostal & Assemblies of God

• Spirit-Filled / Charismatic
• Spirit-Filled / Charismatic

But even here one is not safe from condemnation and much argumentative challenges.
I'm afraid that the discipline and plain talking of The Revival Fellowship is not shared by
everybody.

 

[redleghunter]

Acts uses the gift of the HS (dorea) and Corinthians uses gifts of the HS (charisma).

Can you quote me the verses. Thanks.

 

[Waggles]

It's worth noting, of course, that the Longer Ending of Mark is considered spurious.

Only by unbelievers denying the anointing of the Holy Spirit as originally preached by Jesus and the
Apostles.
Evidence of the work of the anti-Christ; mutilate the parchments and scrolls containing the word of
God and substitute the word with another gospel.

 

[1miraclechild]

It is commonly believed that tongues will continue until Jesus returns but the following little blog shows clearly that God targeted tongues to cease before Jesus returns. The blog is at
Speaking in Tongues – Ceasing and Remaining | Christian Issues

 

[ViaCrucis]

Only by unbelievers

False. The spurious nature of the Longer Ending is a simple recognition of its absence in the manuscript tradition, and is recognized regardless of theological tradition, denomination, or religious background.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[DamianWarS]

Can you quote me the verses. Thanks.

look for the word gift in Acts and it is dorea. look for the word gift in 1 corinthians 12-14 and it is charisma. If you want examples Acts 2:38 and 1 Cor 12:4.

 

[redleghunter]

look for the word gift in Acts and it is dorea. look for the word gift in 1 corinthians 12-14 and it is charisma. If you want examples Acts 2:38 and 1 Cor 12:4.

Thanks. Comparing both verses and the context clearly shows the 3000 on the day of Pentecost did not receive "charisma." Meaning dorea is used in Acts 2:38 as simply "gift."

 

[1miraclechild]

Only by unbelievers denying the anointing of the Holy Spirit as originally preached by Jesus and the
Apostles.
Evidence of the work of the anti-Christ; mutilate the parchments and scrolls containing the word of
God and substitute the word with another gospel.