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I believe in the gift of tongues.NO tongues no spirit ..yep none of his (only religious in your own way not Gods !)
Repent..be Baptized (full immersion ) your bit of obedience ..
then ask God through Jesus Christ and (if your fair dinkum ,open to him ) receive HIS Spirit..easy..and free !!
You missed out v18. "they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
By that reasoning wouldn't it also be foolish not to pick up deadly snakes and drink poison? Have you seen what happens to people (even Christians) when they do? So the 'beleivers' Jesus is referring to cannot be all believers.
Paul was bitten by a snake and it didn't hurt him. Plus God still heals today. What you don't like our security in the Lord?
You think all other believers are immune from poisonous snake bites as well?
Without faith no.
An extra dose of faith is not a condition mentioned in that passage.
But at least you admit Jesus was not referring to all believers.
1 Cor. 14:39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.
We aren't commanded TO speak in tongues, but we are cautioned not to forbid ourselves, or anyone else to speak with tongues.
Mark 16:16-18
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
Were you baptized out of obedience? He has given us a way to pray perfect prayers that are always His will. Wouldn't it be foolish not to use it.
The Lutherans did some research on tongues being acquired through practice.It has nothing to do with "it doesn't fit with their doctrine", after all the Lutheran Confessions quote from it regularly in regard to the importance of Baptism. The point is that the Longer Ending of Mark is considered spurious, I'm not saying that because the Ending is bothersome to my own theology (it's not, there's nothing in the Longer Ending that I find theologically objectionable); however personal opinions and feelings aside, it is generally understood that the Longer Ending is spurious. The existence of variant endings to Mark, along with the absence of any of these endings in the manuscript record, indicate that Mark likely ended at verse 8; but endings were written latter and appended to Mark because as it stands Mark seems to end very abruptly--some see in this abrupt ending an intentional abruption to leave the reader feeling a sense of awe, others have suggested that it may have been left unfinished for one reason or another. But that the Longer Ending isn't authentically Marcan is pretty well accepted given the evidence we have. This isn't the only example we have, the Pericope Adulterae is also absent from our earliest manuscripts of John, and in several cases appears in Luke's Gospel, leading many to believe that it was a free-floating tradition that existed independently of the Four Gospels that at times was incorporated into Luke, and other times into John before ultimately being included in John (this doesn't make the Pericope Adulterae false, only that it wasn't originally written by the Fourth Evangelist), other free-floating traditions exist in antiquity, though these never made it into any Gospel text, one example being the Egerton Fragment (Papyrus Egerton 2) which contains several parallels to the Canonical Gospels, but also includes an otherwise unknown miracle.
My point is simply that we should tread carefully with the Longer Ending and not hang our hat too hard on it, due to it being spurious. There's nothing theologically objectionable, but in all truth wasn't written by the Second Evangelist, and its veracity is open to question.
-CryptoLutheran
If you're referring to the gift of tounques rather then the sign in acts then that's applicable. The gift not everyone can have and requires an interpreter because it's a message from god for the congregation. A sign on the other hand is just a sign of being saved but also for personal edification in prayer and worship. A gift like prophecy for example isn't just something you just can get it requires an approval or annoiting from god. Typically it takes time until god approves of someone to hold such a gift if they are chosen to have itAlso, true tongues required an interpreter, and nobody was allowed to speak more than two or three at a time. (1 Corinthians 14:27)
If you're referring to the gift of tounques rather then the sign in acts then that's applicable. The gift not everyone can have and requires an interpreter because it's a message from god for the congregation. A sign on the other hand is just a sign of being saved but also for personal edification in prayer and worship. A gift like prophecy for example isn't just something you just can get it requires an approval or annoiting from god. Typically it takes time until god approves of someone to hold such a gift if they are chosen to have it
Well, my "spiritual gift" is "Interpretation of Tongues".Absolutely !!!
The gift was a sign:
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
I'm not sure the difference you're trying to make
That's not what I was saying.
There's nothing wrong with speaking in tongues, and I would not forbid anyone from doing so. My point was that it's not compulsory, or even essential, as the title of this thread states - it certainly isn't essential for salvation.
I'm sure that speaking in tongues is a lovely, helpful, uplifting, beautiful gift - it is from God, how could it be anything else? And it is not doubt very beneficial to those who have this gift, and use it.
But the OP actually stated that if someone doesn't speak in tongues, they don't have the Holy Spirit, and therefore do not belong to God.
THAT is what I am challenging - and since I wrote my post, with Scripture, the OP seems to have gone into hiding. There is no Scriptural proof that if you do not speak in tongues, you are not saved and/or do not belong to God. I don't, and I know I have the Holy Spirit.
Not true. there is such a thing as demonic tonguesI agree. Speaking in tongues is not proof we are saved. However, only those who are saved can speak in tongues.
I agree. Speaking in tongues is not proof we are saved. However, only those who are saved can speak in tongues.
If you're referring to the gift of tounques rather then the sign in acts then that's applicable. The gift not everyone can have and requires an interpreter because it's a message from god for the congregation. A sign on the other hand is just a sign of being saved but also for personal edification in prayer and worship. A gift like prophecy for example isn't just something you just can get it requires an approval or annoiting from god. Typically it takes time until god approves of someone to hold such a gift if they are chosen to have it
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