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SpaceX- all our eggs in one basket?

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The successful launch of the Falcon Heavy last week has propelled SpaceX into a potentially dominant position in the world satellite market for the foreseeable future. Their reusable rocket cost structure, their lift capacity and now demonstrated record of success in Falcon9 and even Falcon heavy launches make them a tough act to beat.

Many space addicts like myself are quite happy about this because Musks commitment to the larger vision of space makes his success about far more than profit and revenue. SpaceX have sense of mission and of vision about them that much of the planet has shared since Apollo. A sense of mission that has been frustrated for 2 generations and only recently reactivated and reinvigorated by Musk and crew.

But it is worrying that all our ambitions for the moon and Mars rest on ones mans vision, drive and business acumen. Musk himself has expressed the desire to see multiple companies and agencies competing to get to Mars because it increases the probability of his goal of a multi-planetary species being achieved. But no other company has achieved the costs, numbers of successes , lift capacity etc that Spacex have achieved. Indeed their success seems to make some alternate visions redundant.

There is a great danger in putting all our hopes on Musk for a number of reasons:

1) What happens if he dies? Who would replace him as CEO of SpaceX - would they just try and cash in on the current level of SpaceXs achievements and forget about Mars.

2) What happens if his companies go bust? Tesla does not have a profit at the moment for instance. I met a guy today who told me he had sold his SpaceX shares for a 400% profit directly after the launch because he did not consider Musk to be a good business man and that his companies had yet to demonstrate a sustainable cost model. Elon Musk in fact lost 1.1 bn net worth as a result of the fall in stocks across his companies despite the successful launch.

3) What happens if the stress and expectations loaded upon the man break him and he goes nuts. He's not a Christian , has a shaky childhood, he has demonstrated extraordinary character thus far but how much can the man handle when the going gets really tough without any supernatural source of strength.

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What's best about this situation is that even if Musk dies, the legacy has already begun in that his goal to inspire and provoke competition in space has already proven successful. Jeff Bezos with Blue Origin have followed suit and other big names are being forced to consider and design, or at least integrate, re-usability in to their systems.
 
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What's best about this situation is that even if Musk dies, the legacy has already begun in that his goal to inspire and provoke competition in space has already proven successful. Jeff Bezos with Blue Origin have followed suit and other big names are being forced to consider and design, or at least integrate, re-usability in to their systems.

Jeff Bezos as the worlds richest man is of course a welcome entrant in this race. His vision as I understand it though is not for Mars. Blue Origin are focused on space tourism and on reusability to keep ticket prices down and on safety to make the service attractive. Mind you his approach is incremental so maybe this is all yet to come. If he can finance his company with 1 billion a year as he plans for the next few years then stuff is going to happen. But at the moment they like SpaceX have not actually launched anyone into space. I will be interested to see who gets there first and whether the Dragon will be trusted over the New Shephard.
 
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As much of a fan boy as I am of Mr Musk at times it must be kept in mind that while he is the visionary pushing the company there are hundreds of others making that vision a reality. Much like Steve Jobs and Apple the visionary is not the company.
 
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As much of a fan boy as I am of Mr Musk at times it must be kept in mind that while he is the visionary pushing the company there are hundreds of others making that vision a reality. Much like Steve Jobs and Apple the visionary is not the company.

Yes that was obvious during the Falcon Heavy launch viewing the SpaceX engineers in the crowd. This was not a half hearted bunch of company men half hearted cheering the latest company product launch at the bosses command. These guys were ecstatic that their work was achieving results and felt they were part of something much bigger than their own career development paths. The commitment to the space vision is broader and deeper than a single man. But the fear that something will mess this up also runs deep after 50 years of disappointment since the Apollo programme.

But one of Musks companies e.g. Tesla is simply not profitable, he is the one who owns spacex lock stock and barrel and so to a considerable extent the drive and vision is coming from him. If he dies, goes broke or goes nuts that vision is compromised.

The Jeff Bezos financing model is basically dependent on Amazons success. So long as that company continues to grow and prosper like Bill Gates with his tropical disease foundation he can redirect funds into his pet project. A world wide stock crash or if Amazon loses market share are all potential risks there also but less so given amazons proven business model, cash flow and the sheer size of the Bezos fortune.
The Bezos risk seems to me if he gets bored or disillusioned with the goal. It seems deeply entrenched but by what kinds of failures or pains has that commitment really been tested. If the first Mars trip failed I actually think Musk would send another one learning from the failure. Because he has had numerous failures on his way to his current success. Is that also true of Bezos - I do not know If his commitment has been tested to the same extent.
 
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It would cost a billion dollars a year to make sure everyone on this planet had access to clean drinking water and we wouldnt have 10s of thousands a year die of dysentry.

I like space exploration and all; its certainly sexier than dysentry but imagine if these really rich guys put their money on making life better for people here and now.
 
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It would cost a billion dollars a year to make sure everyone on this planet had access to clean drinking water and we wouldnt have 10s of thousands a year die of dysentry.

I like space exploration and all; its certainly sexier than dysentry but imagine if these really rich guys put their money on making life better for people here and now.
We don’t have to imagine that, the Gates and Buffet billions are going towards those ends.

Do all endeavors other than humanitarian ones need to be abandoned?
 
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We don’t have to imagine that, the Gates and Buffet billions are going towards those ends.

Do all endeavors other than humanitarian ones need to be abandoned?
There are a lot of humanitarian crises.
 
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It would cost a billion dollars a year to make sure everyone on this planet had access to clean drinking water and we wouldnt have 10s of thousands a year die of dysentry.

I like space exploration and all; its certainly sexier than dysentry but imagine if these really rich guys put their money on making life better for people here and now.

Many European countries already have substantial Aid budgets for that. It is better to focus the billionaires on where they can add value rather than duplicate it.

Anyway that might well be a goal that walks hand in hand with establishing a colony on Mars. Water there will need to be extracted, recycled and properly managed. The systems they develop might well work to improve the situation in arid areas or drought ones like CapeTown right now.

The problem in the most needy areas which aid budgets will often exclude is almost always corrupt or incompetent governance or war rather a lack of technology or potential funds. It is these issues that need addressing first before money is siphoned off into various warlords bankaccounts.
 
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Jeff Bezos as the worlds richest man is of course a welcome entrant in this race. His vision as I understand it though is not for Mars. Blue Origin are focused on space tourism and on reusability to keep ticket prices down and on safety to make the service attractive. Mind you his approach is incremental so maybe this is all yet to come. If he can finance his company with 1 billion a year as he plans for the next few years then stuff is going to happen. But at the moment they like SpaceX have not actually launched anyone into space. I will be interested to see who gets there first and whether the Dragon will be trusted over the New Shephard.

The Dragon will be because it'll be first to the party and, as far as I know, has already received some funding from the U.S. government and/or its constituent agencies for its development as a means of less reliance on the Russian Soyuz.

Now that Falcon Heavy has had a successful debut, next stop will be continuing development of crewed Dragon.

Even if Blue Origin serve different purposes, it's still all positive progress in the right direction but I believe they're developing systems to go beyond the scope of simply tourism.
 
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As it wasn’t answered: do all endeavors other than humanitarian ones need to be abandoned?

It would be a much reduced and rather boring world if so. It is stagnant or declining societies that can only focus on the lowest common denominator. Space adds spice and people need that to keep on going sometimes.
 
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There are a lot of humanitarian crises.
Dinosaur Grandpa: "Look at those birds, learning how to fly when we have those newfangled mammals to hunt!"
 
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all of it ...

Which is obviously a dishonest appraisal...do you want to be taken seriously or just reported? If the former then explain yourself if the latter I will handle it for you.
 
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Alright, not all endeavors. Is it just ventures into space that should be shut down until all of humanity’s problems are solved or must other thing be stopped as well?
 
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