Sozo Healing

[Jo555]

Not sure where to put this. I have someone i know that is into this healing. I feel like they are constantly doing things to trigger me.

I know I have issues, and I'm working on them with the Lord, but she keeps ignoring boundaries I have put up for my sanity. I don't get it. She's a faithful Christian and has been for years, and i cannot understand what is she thinking continuously crossing my boundaries.

Anyone know about this type of healing?

 

[Jo555]

It's very irritating, and this individual has no regard for boundaries that i set up. I really feel that they are trying to force themselves on me. Then when you react, after you've told them over and over not to cross your boundaries, they feel like they struck a cord.

Yeah you have, you are ignoring my boundaries and forcing the issue.

I don't agree with what they are doing. They seem to have the bigger problem.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Not sure where to put this. I have someone i know that is into this healing. I feel like they are constantly doing things to trigger me.

I know I have issues, and I'm working on them with the Lord, but she keeps ignoring boundaries I have put up for my sanity. I don't get it. She's a faithful Christian and has been for years, and i cannot understand what is she thinking continuously crossing my boundaries.

Anyone know about this type of healing?

The best you can do is pray that this individual get deliverance from SOZO. Do tell her that you are praying for her in fact, lay your hand on her so that she can know what power there is in truth. She will fall into apostasy, I have seen it first hand. This is a serious diversion from His Truth.
Blessings.

 

[Jo555]

Now that is what i am discerning because, as i see it, it goes against basic principles in scripture.

You know someone has something against you, try and work it out.

Knock on the door of their heart like Jesus does, don't try an knock it down. If there is a DND sign, respect that and, at least for now, move on.

It is quite sad that within some Christian circles they want to put the full weight on you for the relationship.

That is not how relationships work ... Love neighbor as self. It is an active participation on both parts.

I will say that we cannot rely on anyone else for our wellbeing, this is why we cannot expect others to apologize when they hurt us, or to acknowledge their role to mend the relationship ... We look to the Lord because we are all learning and growing, but God does not ignore the role others play in our wellbeing.

I don't think people realize what a simple apology from the heart can do for another, from the heart, but we need to forgive and release the other so that we are free of it, whether they are sorry or not. Afterall, we make mistakes too.

 

[Strong in Him]

Not sure where to put this. I have someone i know that is into this healing. I feel like they are constantly doing things to trigger me.

I know I have issues, and I'm working on them with the Lord, but she keeps ignoring boundaries I have put up for my sanity. I don't get it. She's a faithful Christian and has been for years, and i cannot understand what is she thinking continuously crossing my boundaries.

Anyone know about this type of healing?

I wasn't aware that there was a type of healing called Sozo healing.

Sozo means wholeness. I think it's the same Greek word, or the same root as the word, for salvation. It means wholeness in body, mind and spirit.
I know some Christians believe that when you pray for healing it should be instantaneous and miraculous. That's not the case, but some claim it.

But constantly having your boundaries ignored sounds like a red flag, to me. For me, respecting boundaries is basic pastoral care, and etiquette.
Is it possible to just walk away?

 

[Jo555]

I wasn't aware that there was a type of healing called Sozo healing.

Sozo means wholeness. I think it's the same Greek word, or the same root as the word, for salvation. It means wholeness in body, mind and spirit.
I know some Christians believe that when you pray for healing it should be instantaneous and miraculous. That's not the case, but some claim it.

But constantly having your boundaries ignored sounds like a red flag, to me. For me, respecting boundaries is basic pastoral care, and etiquette.
Is it possible to just walk away?

Yes. I did just that. I was very puzzled and grieved as to why they kept crossing my boundaries, especially when i went to great lengths explaining why i have them, and because they've been a believer for years, and as you said, this is just basic stuff.

Here is one boundary, "Don't text me as i find texting unhealthy and can lead to no good, especially my mental state, just call me," but they continue to text. When i reiterate, its like. "What is the big deal? It's easier for me "

Well now it is a big deal as i went to great lengths explaining why and how unhealthy it is for me and you ignore that. When you continue to do that it is no longer about texting to me, but bigger issue of how much you care about me to stop.

It amazes me that they still don't. Makes me wonder if they think I'm just s control freak, have some controlling spirit, or some other demon. But i know all I'm trying to do is keep my sanity until God can grow me up in that area.

I've tried to share other things before and have gotten the reply. "I don't owe you an explanation."

What kind of a response is that? Who says you do. This is just basic principles regarding relationships,, sharing to bring understanding, but they must expect me to miraculously know.

I cut off the relationship. I felt it was unhealthy and did not make me feel good about myself, so i cut it off.

I'll continue to pray for them

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes. I did just that.

I was very puzzled and grieved as to why they kept crossing my boundaries, especially when i went to great lengths explaining why i have them, and because they've been a believer for years, and as you said, this is just basic stuff.

A person can be a believer but, sadly, be lacking in pastoral skills or sensitivity.

Here is one boundary, "Don't text me as i find texting unhealthy and can lead to no good, especially my mental state, just call me," but they continue to text. When i reiterate, its like. "What is the big deal? It's easier for me "

That sounds selfish. But maybe they have problems themselves and don't understand Mental health issues - or even, boundaries.

Well now it is a big deal as i went to great lengths explaining why and how unhealthy it is for me and you ignore that. When you continue to do that it is no longer about texting to me, but bigger issue of how much you care about me to stop.

It amazes me that they still don't.

For whatever reason, some people need to be told straight or in words of one syllable.

Makes me wonder if they think I'm just s control freak, have some controlling spirit, or some other demon.

Since, it seems, that they have shown that they don't care about you, it doesn't really matter what they might think of you. (Although they might not be thinking what you fear.)

What kind of a response is that? Who says you do.

Exactly.

I cut off the relationship. I felt it was unhealthy and did not make me feel good about myself, so i cut it off.

Very wise.

 

[Jo555]

I do care what they think because i care about the relationship and if there is a misunderstanding i want to know that i did my part to fix that.

I feel i did, and don't feel like they are meeting me half way so it's time to move on, sadly.

I don't fear what they are thinking. I'm trying to make sense of it, but I'm done with that. Have moved on and hopefully things will be different in future.

Thank you for your help. Just so odd to me wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something regarding boundaries. This is basic stuff in Christianity and secular living, but for whatever reason people feel justified ignoring personal boundaries.

 

[Jo555]

This is what i sense is happening:

Gaslighting is a type of emotional abuse that involves manipulating someone into questioning their own reality, thoughts, and feelings. The goal is to make the victim doubt their own instincts and memories, and to convince them that the abuser's version of events is the truth.

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It's not like I don't already question my own reality and leave myself open to being wrong, but i often feel that is the aim of the individual and to try and subtly convince me my reality is wrong by ignoring things i say to the contrary of their beliefs, and using methods to push their point of view that i see as a disapproval from God.

So not to drag it up again, but when we take time to process these things with the Lord and his people, it can help us to see more clearly and help others avoid the pitfalls.

And i saw this definition of gaslighting and felt it fit.

 

[Jo555]

This is what i sense is happening:

Gaslighting is a type of emotional abuse that involves manipulating someone into questioning their own reality, thoughts, and feelings. The goal is to make the victim doubt their own instincts and memories, and to convince them that the abuser's version of events is the truth.

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It's not like I don't already question my own reality and leave myself open to being wrong, but i often feel that is the aim of the individual and to try and subtly convince me my reality is wrong by ignoring things i say to the contrary of their beliefs, and using methods to push their point of view that i see as a not a Godly manner.

So not to drag it up again, but when we take time to process these things with the Lord and his people, it can help us to see more clearly and help others avoid the pitfall

 

[bèlla]

I wasn't familiar with the term. This is what I found.

The Sozo ministry or Sozo prayer started in Redding, California, in 1997 by Bethel Church — a nondenominational charismatic megachurch. The idea was inspired after a healing evangelist, Randy Clark, held a prayer training at the church.

"Sozo" is a Greek word that the ministry's founders, Dawna DeSilva and Teresa Liebscher, two leaders at Bethel, say is found in the New Testament 110 times. Strong’s Concordance translates the word as “to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue.” Liebscher defines it specifically as "to be made whole."

The Gospel of Matthew is the first time the word Sozo is used in the New Testament when the angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will have a child who is to be named Jesus. “He will save His people from their sins," Matthew 1:21 states. Sozo is translated into the word “save” in this passage.

The Bethel Sozo website describes Sozo ministry as “a unique inner healing and deliverance ministry aimed to get to the root of things hindering your personal connection with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit."

Co-leader Liebscher describes “the Sozo ministry” as a place one goes to uncover wounds or lies and their roots.

“Sozo is not counseling, it is not a prayer ministry, it is a team of people going in helping you make that connection with the Godhead and thus have a place to go to deal with all the issues and crises that will happen with you,” Liebscher shares in a promotional video of the experience. “It is also a deliverance ministry, because once you go in and heal the wounds and lies, heal the reasons why the demonic thinks it has legal access, the demonic has to leave, and that's in essence what deliverance is.”

Churches that have a Sozo ministry have leaders who are trained by Bethel's team. Training typically lasts two to four days.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

When I read stuff like that, it becomes clearer where all the disturbances come from.

 

[bèlla]

When I read stuff like that, it becomes clearer where all the disturbances come from.

I was thinking the same. There's no way I'd subject myself to that.

~bella

 

[Jo555]

The more i read about gaslighting, the more i sense that has been happening to me for some time now.

My reality often seems to be questioned, which makes me question myself and makes me feel like I'm crazy ... Or it used to because the Lord has really been working on me on that and I'm s lot more assured of myself.

I place a lot of value into staying open to being wrong, and i still do, but I'm also more confident in my reality.

This sozo thing just came up cause i felt like they were always doing things to trigger me, and when I'd eventually snap, felt like i was then being treated like i was irrational and a kook. Then they'd ignore my boundaries and such for my own mental stability. It was like. What's the big deal? Don't make a big deal of it."

So I'm like i can't believe this person does inner healing. I must be so messed up or there is something seriously wrong with their methods.

So I didn't know anything about sozos, but i found out that is part of their inner healing ministry and i read somewhere that they can look for triggers.

Anyway, i do have to work on those triggers, not because i feel I'm so messed up there, even if i may have some issues, but you cant change others, just grow yourself.

An exaggerated example would be beating a dog and beating a dog, and when it eventually bites, call it crazy with no responsibility in your role for ts reaction.

 

[Jo555]

Anyway, i do feel confident that they love me. They just don't seem to want to let go of their perception and intent on continuing to do stuff to try and make me feel like my reality is off.

Maybe I'll eventually learn they were right. I have often questioned it, but right now I don't see it and I'm not listening to anyone's word over our Lord's.

 

[Jo555]

I really feel like i need to look into this topic more thoroughly with the Lord. There can seem to be a fine line between helping others see more clearly, and manipulating the situation.

And many may be doing it with good intentions, but don't realize that they may be doing more harm than good by not allowing the Lord to do the inner work.

It does reinforce the need to hear from the Lord for ourselves and only buy into his truth.

So many thoughts and opinions thrown our way. We can do the same. That's a shared life, but we must be careful what we take to heart. God really needs to reveal these things to us within, especially when it affects us personally.