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<blockquote data-quote="Sauron" data-source="post: 218955" data-attributes="member: 3120"><p>There's a danger that some fundamentalist nutcase could tinker with it, yes. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Afghanistan doesn't count because that govt no longer exists. </p><p></p><p>We're still talking about your claim that proseltyzing Muslims can get someone expelled from the country, right? I assume that you had some other country as an example. And that you weren't hanging your entire argument on a single case.</p><p></p><p>Because if you did NOT have some other country(s) besides Afghanistan, then basically what you're admitting here is that Afghanistan was the <strong>only example you ever had in the first place.</strong></p><p></p><p>So then, with only one example to point to, can you please explain why you felt justified in extrapolating your claim to ALL Muslim countries? Sounds like either intellectual sloppiness here, or an attempt to smear with a broad brush.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And like I told *you*, talking to the everyday Christian isn't going to be the same as sampling the totality of christian viewpoints. </p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong - I applaud the fact that you are getting information from the "horse's mouth". But it would be incorrect of me to form my opinion by talking to my christian nextdoor neighbor, because he/she only knows one part of the religion: the part they subscribe to.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1. I think that is great. You're showing a lot of intellectual impartiality by doing so - as opposed to the other 99.99% of the country that is simply caught up in hating "ragheads".</p><p></p><p>2. Our debate here is another step in this process of discovery. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just out of curiosity - can you tell me where these Muslims were from (country, I mean)?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. The Muslims took all they could from Greece, of course. But they also took from India, Iran, and anywhere else they could get it. The administration of the caliphate at Baghdad was a tremendous undertaking. The empire created think-tanks whose sole responsibility was investigating all kinds of science, for hte express purpose of administering an empire.</p><p></p><p>But the historical background also needs to be remembered. During the time that Islam was able to do this, there were also power vacuums in Africa, Europe and Asia that made such an empire possible. Had the Islamic empire in Baghdad, Damascus or Cairo been created during the Renaissance period instead of 7,8, or 9 hundred years earlier, then it would have been crushed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who said they abandoned it? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, they cannot. You are grossly oversimplifying things if you think that superior military, colonial expansion in the New World, etc. are the fruits of Greek thought.</p><p></p><p>Here; read this interactive website on "Islam: Empire of Faith" from PBS:</p><p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/" target="_blank">http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you sure that it was by invasion? Are you sure that there weren't cases where the native population welcomed the invaders, assisted them, and rose in rebellion against their previous government?</p><p></p><p><em>(Hint: you've been wrong in all cases before when you've made this kind of sweeping assertion. You should therefore consider my query to be a "trick question", because I already know the answer to it.)</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I will admit that it is harder for Islamic countries to secularize, because they have not had 300 years of slow secularization. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. They are in place to protect American and western access to cheap oil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which the house of Saud does not want, because the oil is the foundation of their power. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since I know many more Muslims first-hand than you do, I would say that your self-evaluation is correct.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sauron, post: 218955, member: 3120"] There's a danger that some fundamentalist nutcase could tinker with it, yes. Afghanistan doesn't count because that govt no longer exists. We're still talking about your claim that proseltyzing Muslims can get someone expelled from the country, right? I assume that you had some other country as an example. And that you weren't hanging your entire argument on a single case. Because if you did NOT have some other country(s) besides Afghanistan, then basically what you're admitting here is that Afghanistan was the [b]only example you ever had in the first place.[/b] So then, with only one example to point to, can you please explain why you felt justified in extrapolating your claim to ALL Muslim countries? Sounds like either intellectual sloppiness here, or an attempt to smear with a broad brush. And like I told *you*, talking to the everyday Christian isn't going to be the same as sampling the totality of christian viewpoints. Don't get me wrong - I applaud the fact that you are getting information from the "horse's mouth". But it would be incorrect of me to form my opinion by talking to my christian nextdoor neighbor, because he/she only knows one part of the religion: the part they subscribe to. 1. I think that is great. You're showing a lot of intellectual impartiality by doing so - as opposed to the other 99.99% of the country that is simply caught up in hating "ragheads". 2. Our debate here is another step in this process of discovery. Just out of curiosity - can you tell me where these Muslims were from (country, I mean)? No. The Muslims took all they could from Greece, of course. But they also took from India, Iran, and anywhere else they could get it. The administration of the caliphate at Baghdad was a tremendous undertaking. The empire created think-tanks whose sole responsibility was investigating all kinds of science, for hte express purpose of administering an empire. But the historical background also needs to be remembered. During the time that Islam was able to do this, there were also power vacuums in Africa, Europe and Asia that made such an empire possible. Had the Islamic empire in Baghdad, Damascus or Cairo been created during the Renaissance period instead of 7,8, or 9 hundred years earlier, then it would have been crushed. Who said they abandoned it? No, they cannot. You are grossly oversimplifying things if you think that superior military, colonial expansion in the New World, etc. are the fruits of Greek thought. Here; read this interactive website on "Islam: Empire of Faith" from PBS: [url]http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/[/url] Are you sure that it was by invasion? Are you sure that there weren't cases where the native population welcomed the invaders, assisted them, and rose in rebellion against their previous government? [i](Hint: you've been wrong in all cases before when you've made this kind of sweeping assertion. You should therefore consider my query to be a "trick question", because I already know the answer to it.)[/i] I will admit that it is harder for Islamic countries to secularize, because they have not had 300 years of slow secularization. No. They are in place to protect American and western access to cheap oil. Which the house of Saud does not want, because the oil is the foundation of their power. Since I know many more Muslims first-hand than you do, I would say that your self-evaluation is correct. [/QUOTE]
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