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<blockquote data-quote="Ray K" data-source="post: 218322" data-attributes="member: 1577"><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>OK. I understand your point now. However, grounding laws in a religious text is a dangerous precedent for any country espousing separation of C/S (dang, we really need a word for that)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>LOL. Afghanistan doesn't count anymore because the government was toppled a few months ago. OK, I'll let you know if I find out of any more.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Like I said, I gather my opinion from other Muslims, not from the media or Christian sources. So when you criticize my interpretation, you are criticizing what has been explained to me by everyday Muslims, not the 1% "fringe" element of the religion.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Look. I understand that before 9/11 I was ignorant of Islam. So I actively looked for Muslim discussion groups and got involved in several discussions over many months.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Let's just say that "moderate" Islam was a miniscule minority among the Muslims I talked to. Most were in favor of removing Jews from Israel (by force if necessary), sympathized with Al-Quaeda and supported the Taliban. Their support for the Taliban evaporated when their fantasy bubble about U.S. soldiers getting massacred turned out to not come true.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>"Greek thought" represents rationalism and naturalistic philosophy. When Islam embraced that and followed the intellectual path established by the Greeks, their empire thrived. When they abandoned it for whatever reason, their power waned. All five of those European advances you listed can be directly traced to the adoption of Aristotelian education in Europe and the resulting Renaissance.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Because Muslim rule came by invasion, not by other countries spontaneously converting to Islam because it was a superior culture.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>To me it is secular or not-secular. If you think that a secular Islamic country can thrive (maybe Iran once the current regime is overthrown), then I would agree they are not mutually exclusive.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>OK. Exactly why are U.S. Armed Forces on the Arabian Peninsula. At the request of an Arab government (Saudi) to liberate an Arab country (Kuwait) from another (Iraq).</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>All Saudi Arabia has to do is ask the U.S. to leave.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Id guess 50% of the Muslims I've conversed with have held these "fringe" views. Maybe I'm just hanging out with the wrong crowd of Muslims.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ray K, post: 218322, member: 1577"] [B] OK. I understand your point now. However, grounding laws in a religious text is a dangerous precedent for any country espousing separation of C/S (dang, we really need a word for that) LOL. Afghanistan doesn't count anymore because the government was toppled a few months ago. OK, I'll let you know if I find out of any more. Like I said, I gather my opinion from other Muslims, not from the media or Christian sources. So when you criticize my interpretation, you are criticizing what has been explained to me by everyday Muslims, not the 1% "fringe" element of the religion. Look. I understand that before 9/11 I was ignorant of Islam. So I actively looked for Muslim discussion groups and got involved in several discussions over many months. Let's just say that "moderate" Islam was a miniscule minority among the Muslims I talked to. Most were in favor of removing Jews from Israel (by force if necessary), sympathized with Al-Quaeda and supported the Taliban. Their support for the Taliban evaporated when their fantasy bubble about U.S. soldiers getting massacred turned out to not come true. "Greek thought" represents rationalism and naturalistic philosophy. When Islam embraced that and followed the intellectual path established by the Greeks, their empire thrived. When they abandoned it for whatever reason, their power waned. All five of those European advances you listed can be directly traced to the adoption of Aristotelian education in Europe and the resulting Renaissance. Because Muslim rule came by invasion, not by other countries spontaneously converting to Islam because it was a superior culture. To me it is secular or not-secular. If you think that a secular Islamic country can thrive (maybe Iran once the current regime is overthrown), then I would agree they are not mutually exclusive. OK. Exactly why are U.S. Armed Forces on the Arabian Peninsula. At the request of an Arab government (Saudi) to liberate an Arab country (Kuwait) from another (Iraq). All Saudi Arabia has to do is ask the U.S. to leave. Id guess 50% of the Muslims I've conversed with have held these "fringe" views. Maybe I'm just hanging out with the wrong crowd of Muslims.[/b] [/QUOTE]
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