Source of water for the flood

[BrainHertz]

How? Water is virtualy incompressible meaning it won't expand significantly.

Magic water is extremely compressible. And is an excellent pixie dust solvent.

 

[lemmings]

An upwelling of the sea floor in a couple of places would do it. Like a lava dome on a huge scale. The ocean floor wouldn't have to raise much to flood the entire earth.

The volume of water necessary is more than double what we currently see. The sea floor would have had to rise higher than the current sea level is.

Oceanic crust is denser than continental crust. Why is it that a denser substance is at a higher elevation than one which is not as dense?

 

[lemmings]

GOD DID IT --- CASE CLOSED should suffice for anyone.

Except for Muslims.

"I don't tell the Muslim scientists what to put."

 

[AV1611VET]

Why is it that a denser substance is at a higher elevation than one which is not as dense?

I always like the "density" or "volume" arguments.

Like, "How could all those animals fit aboard the Ark?"

Especially from those who think the entire universe at one time was the size of a pixel.

 

[lemmings]

I always like the "density" or "volume" arguments.

Like, "How could all those animals fit aboard the Ark?"

Especially from those who think the entire universe at one time was the size of a pixel.

Do you acknowledge the existance of black holes?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you acknowledge the existance of black holes?

I really don't know about those. Until I do, though, and until someone shows me they somehow violate the Scriptures, I have no reason not to.

Therefore, I'll assume they exist --- for now.

 

[lemmings]

I really don't know about those. Until I do, though, and until someone shows me they somehow violate the Scriptures, I have no reason not to.

Therefore, I'll assume they exist --- for now.

If you assume them to exist, then you have no problem with an entire star fitting in an area smaller than an electron.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you assume them to exist, then you have no problem with an entire star fitting in an area smaller than an electron.

You misunderstood me --- let me rephrase what I said as a question.

• Why do people who believe that the whole universe can fit into a pixel, have trouble with a few animals fitting aboard an Ark?

Or, put another way:

• How many pixels (universes) can the Ark carry?

Now --- don't get me wrong --- I don't believe God shrunk the animals, but "scientists" arguing volume and density problems from the perspective of a universe that was once the size of a pixel is ironic (to me, anyway).

 

[BrainHertz]

You misunderstood me --- let me rephrase what I said as a question.

• Why do people who believe that the whole universe can fit into a pixel, have trouble with a few animals fitting aboard an Ark?

Or, put another way:

• How many pixels (universes) can the Ark carry?

Now --- don't get me wrong --- I don't believe God shrunk the animals, but "scientists" arguing volume and density problems from the perspective of a universe that was once the size of a pixel is ironic (to me, anyway).

I don't think anybody's suggesting that there's a physics problem with compressing a giraffe into a space the size of a grain of dust. They're suggesting that there's a biology problem with the giraffe still being alive afterwards.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't think anybody's suggesting that there's a physics problem with compressing a giraffe into a space the size of a grain of dust. They're suggesting that there's a biology problem with the giraffe still being alive afterwards.

Hmmm --- good point!

 

[biggles53]

You misunderstood me --- let me rephrase what I said as a question.

• Why do people who believe that the whole universe can fit into a pixel, have trouble with a few animals fitting aboard an Ark?

Or, put another way:

• How many pixels (universes) can the Ark carry?

Now --- don't get me wrong --- I don't believe God shrunk the animals, but "scientists" arguing volume and density problems from the perspective of a universe that was once the size of a pixel is ironic (to me, anyway).

So, if god didn't "shrunk the animals", then how did all those critters (let's not even consider their food and water!) fit on that wooden boat.

Don't bother - I got it...."it was a miracle!"....right?

 

[TheManeki]

As they should --- after all, God claims He did it --- in writing.

Let's give credit where credit is due.

(And they should pull a GOD DID IT --- CASE CLOSED.)

'Course, that implies you're actually able to back up your interpretation of the Bible. Which, so far, you fail miserably at.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, if god didn't "shrunk the animals", then how did all those critters (let's not even consider their food and water!) fit on that wooden boat.

Don't bother - I got it...."it was a miracle!"....right?

You're close --- only their top representatives boarded the Ark.

Look at it this way. Suppose I wanted to destroy all the numbers ever written and currently in existence, but wanted to preserve a set on one little 3x5 card, so they could "replenish a journal."

All I would have to do is save numbers 0 - 9 and problem solved.

As to your parenthetical, God could have fed them Himself, much as He did the widow of Zarephath in 1 Kings 17. We're not totally ignorant of how God operates, or what He can do.

 

[AV1611VET]

'Course, that implies you're actually able to back up your interpretation of the Bible. Which, so far, you fail miserably at.

I do my best ---

 

[Athrond]

You misunderstood me --- let me rephrase what I said as a question.

• Why do people who believe that the whole universe can fit into a pixel, have trouble with a few animals fitting aboard an Ark?

Or, put another way:

• How many pixels (universes) can the Ark carry?

Now --- don't get me wrong --- I don't believe God shrunk the animals, but "scientists" arguing volume and density problems from the perspective of a universe that was once the size of a pixel is ironic (to me, anyway).

Easy, the Ark wasn't a black hole but a ship with "known" dimensions. Ergo It couldn't have fitted the amount of animals it supposedly did.

 

[AV1611VET]

Easy, the Ark wasn't a black hole but a ship with "known" dimensions.

No, it wasn't a "ship" --- it was a containment vessel.

Ergo It couldn't have fitted the amount of animals it supposedly did.

And how many animals did it supposedly did fit?

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

No, it wasn't a "ship" --- it was a containment vessel.



And how many animals did it supposedly did fit?

Our dad spent hours on this site
Trying to tell us he is right.
The earth is only ten thousand years old
In Genesis the stories been told.

The stars and galaxies are far away
But we see them every day.
The rays of light were created in place
To fool the scientists into making mistakes.

Noah’s flood was deep and long
But his ark was big and strong.
When the waters flowed away
It left the geology we see today

Only problem with creation ideas
Is the belief of foolish peers.
If for once they could see the light
Jesus would disappear out of sight.

 

[biggles53]

You're close --- only their top representatives boarded the Ark.

Ooh, here's something a little different to the tired 'kinds' reference. Please elaborate. Tell us who these 'reps' were and then the minor details of how they transformed into the multitudes of species we see today. Take your time...

Look at it this way. Suppose I wanted to destroy all the numbers ever written and currently in existence, but wanted to preserve a set on one little 3x5 card, so they could "replenish a journal."

All I would have to do is save numbers 0 - 9 and problem solved.

Uh-huh, so Noah only took 10 animal typres onto the ark?? And then was able to "replenish" the whole of the animal (and plant) kingdom from this 'sample'??

As to your parenthetical, God could have fed them Himself, much as He did the widow of Zarephath in 1 Kings 17. We're not totally ignorant of how God operates, or what He can do.

Umm...you just have one weeny problem with that explanation. Your fairy-tale book states that Noah was to take supplies on board for all the critters. If god was gonna feed 'em, why would he need bother...?

In fact, why do I bother...?

 

[AV1611VET]

In fact, why do I bother...?

Good question.

[bible]Acts 5:38-39[/bible]
[bible]Acts 9:5[/bible]

 

[AV1611VET]

'Course, that implies you're actually able to back up your interpretation of the Bible. Which, so far, you fail miserably at.

Fortunately, you aren't the one putting the final grade on my papers.