Son's nightmare

[whitestar]

I understand how you feel...but there is no glory in Satan's unrighteousness....Even though God allowed Satan to attack Job, it was not so that the enemy could be glorified....

Furthermore, even Job was attacked by demons and he tried to blame it on God. See Job 7:14...Later on, Job gets a rebuke/admonishment from God because Job had been speaking about stuff from the wrong perspective and without knowledge...

I WAS COMMANDED TO TELL CHILDREN SIMPLY:

"If something messes with you in your dreams, then just say, "In the name of Jesus, Get Out"...It is not complicated. It is not like we need a theological degree or some 3 day seminar. Simply calling on the name of Jesus is sufficient...

Again we are talking about a ten year old child. No its not complicated to do this when awake! But to beable to do it in a dream is a whole other matter. Few people can excerise any type of control in a dream...do a poll and see how many can do this in a dream? When you see adults struggling to do it in a dream, how do you expect a child too?

When JOB got His heart and mind in the right place, THEN the bondage of darkness was broken. Of course, I have no intentions of arguing with you or anybody else on these matters....

I would just caution you to not read to much into the enemy's dreams...even though I spend a lot of time on another site helping people through these situations, the focus is upon God, and putting ont he armor of God.. I show people how they should guard their mind and keep their focus on the peace and love and mercy that is in Jesus.....

As long as you get the needed results is what counts!!!

I am glad your children are able to do this in their dreams....the one time my son was able to do this in a dream, the nightmare did not stop....it did not work for him...I have no idea why. It may simply be his faith is not strong enough yet...I don't know. But most of the time he not able to control anything happening in his dreams. Most people cannot do this actually.

 

[whitestar]

Just a little note. God does send warning dreams...But He does not torment us with nightmares. Period. Every good gift and every perfect gift comes from above from the Father of Lights in whom there is no variableness, nor shadow of turning. God is the Father of Lights, in whom there is NO DARKNESS...Jesus has no fellowship with Belial. NONE..ZIP..NADA...

Just remember that there are many voices in the world, and they don't all have life.

When Satan attacked Job with nightmares, it wasn't God sending Job some messages. And when Satan destroyed Job's family, business, etc., that was not God sending Job some message....Just because the enemy is around doesn't mean that he's God's messenger...Through it all, however, we find out that God's grace is more than sufficient for us...He carries us through the storms and to the distant shore....

We are in the same boat...and that is a wonderful thing....Just continue trusting in the Lord and not in flesh, and you can never go wrong...

I don't recall Job having any nightmares...from satan or for any reason actually...

I do trust the Lord and I believe this was a warning dream from Him and everything worked out nicely due to Him sending this dream to my son.

 

[whitestar]

As to the REASON your son has dreams like this. I would venture it is the atmosphere or the focus of teachings he's heard.

Yes, he heard about demons from his horrible dad at a young age. We don't focus on them at home or at church. He never heard about demons at all until his dad brought it up...and told him demons were out to 'get people and hurt them'...why his dad did his, I don't know. His dad is very messed up in the head...

10 years old is to young to be worrying about demons, I think. At least if your going to relate the notion of demons to a child it should be as gently as possible.

Personally I would rather he never heard of them...

I would tell your son this: The devil is like a person who operates outside of God's Law. Just like a criminal in our society. And just like we have policemen and such in our society who outnumber the criminals. God has angels who out number the satan and his fellow criminals. I'd keep away from the word Demons or Devils for what they conjure in your sons mind. Satan is a beggarly criminal stripped of all the real power he once had and is now left only with deception and fear. But God's Police Force is more then a match for satan who does his work in darkness and doesn't have any real strength over a child of God. Only the power to deceive, a power which is broken when a person knows God's word.

Of course it didn't help that in a Children's bible I was reading to him one time they showed a picture of the devil all red with a long tail and pitch fork, who was tempting Jesus...THAT caused some problems and I was pretty upset they had that in a children's bible to start with... I didn't even know it was there...I was just reading it to him, turned the page and he saw it...it was too late then.

Keep your son away from teachings on demonology and such. He should be sleeping like a child. Play soothing Christian music for him as he goes to sleep, leave a night light on for him, etc.

Why in the world would I teach him anything on demonology? I don't even read that stuff. We say the Lord's prayer everynight and pray for others...I do leave a light on...and he goes to sleep peacefully.

As I said...this nightmares of demons rarely happen anymore...since he has been able to not be around his dad anymore and my praying over him...in which I pray silently and its after he is sleeping anyway...

God bless

 

[whitestar]

What you sow you will also reap. If you invest a lot of time in thinking about, studying, talking about the devil and what demons do, you will reap the results and stir up trouble.

ALL of my studying is simply bible studies...thanks for the concern though.

I'm not saying be ignorant of the devil but he's a minor subject, or should be.

true. I agree.

The major subject should be prayer praise and worship.

And it is in my home.

And I wouldn't be praying out loud over my son, "Lord protect my son from the torments of evil spirits, etc.," I don't know that you do that but if so, you'll send his ten year old imagination into high gear. He should be going to bed with a smile on his face and a song in his heart.

Of course I don't do that! I pray silently and after I go to bed, in which by then he is sleeping anyway.

Let me explain a little since everyone seems to think I am overly focused on demons and devils because of one post...

Before I was saved, I got married to a man who was terribly abused growing up. Later I also found out that drugs and drinking and abuse ran in his family for generations. I had never been around an alcholic or drug user...or liar like this and was very ingorant of his ways. I believed his lies...and I wasn't listening to God either on anything. He was abusive....had affairs, was a drunk...a thief, a liar...cursed like crazy...had little to no morals. We had a son together ...when it got so bad I could finally take no more, I took my son and we left..we got divorced. I mean he was running around with other women...would disappear and be gone all night long leaving me alone with a baby. I would have no idea where he was, if he was drunk and had a car accident or what...it was just horrible.

Saddly he was able to get our son on visitation where emotional abuse and neglect went on. My ex was raised in foster homes and exposed to all sorts of really werid religious thing...some possible cults...I don't know..I don't think he knew since he was a child. He was abused in these foster homes too.. Of course he swore he would never hurt our son...

He told our son some terrible things at very young age that put a horrible fear in him. For instance one time he told him to never sleep alone in his room or a bad man would come and break in the window and get him and kill him... from then on my son has been too fearful to sleep in his own room...afraid of the windows...

It would take me a book to explain what he went through, what we both went through...if you want to read how bad it was at one time in his life and mine you can read this link here: http://www.bibleforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7171

In my home I play Christian music, listen to the Christian radio station...I am careful of what he watches on TV, I have Christian pictures around the house. I am disabled and spend most of my time in bible studies and helping other believers on the internet. The only time the devil or demons are brought up is when my son brings them up but I make it clear through Jesus Christ neither satan nor demons have any power over us.

I take him to church and he goes to awana...we pray everynight...I don't know how much more focused on God we can be!

I realize none of you know me and image the worse when reading something like my son's dream...hopefully this information will help clear things up. As I said...I do not know what his dad may have taught him in regards to demons or devils...or why in the world his dad would say such things to a little child in the first place! Its like he had no idea how this would tramize a small child, or didn't care... I just don't know. All I know is I have had to undo alot of damage because of it.

God bless

(edited...well for some reason that link won't go straight to the right thread...but if you look for the fourm "families in Christ' and go in there and look for a post titled 'spiritual warfare for our children' by moonglow (me), you can read it there. I really need to rewrite it and have it on a blog or something...)

 

[Psalm118]

Why can he only rebuke the fear/attack in his sleep? I would suggest, a) going around the house and praying a boundary around the house that would protect you, saying "Nothing that is not from God is not allowed past this point." and b) He can always pray against anything that is scaring him when he wakes up. I do this! Whether it's just a bad dream that brings about fear or it's demonic, he can pray against it when he wakes up.

That doesn't solve the dreams entirely, but just because he's asleep doesn't mean he can't participate in what's going on. And, I think that physically going around the house and praying with him might help him feel safer, like he's actually done something (just praying about it might not feel so concrete as walking and praying). It's sad that such things have come up so young, but kids are also powerful warriors!

P.S. No one ever told me about demons as a kid, but I used to be enchanted with any "true" books about ghosts, etc, and scare myself before going to bed. I am still afraid to look at windows at night for fear of someone looking in. So, it's unfortunate that his father exposed him to things he shouldn't have been yet, but even if that hadn't happened, kids find out stuff all the time they shouldn't know about yet. I wish someone had taught me how to pray against the fear!

 

[princebernard]

I don't recall Job having any nightmares...from satan or for any reason actually...

I do trust the Lord and I believe this was a warning dream from Him and everything worked out nicely due to Him sending this dream to my son.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. Job 1:12

In the next few verses, we see the devil at work. Job's servants are killed and his livestock stolen, fire falls from heaven and destroys his sheep, his camels are stolen, and then his sons and daughters are all killed. All was done at the hand of Satan..for God does not do evil...

JOB STOOD LIKE A RIGHTEOS MAN AND DID NOT SIN
In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. Job 1:22

Yet...Job's challenges are not done. Satan starts buffeting him again after getting the green light from God. "So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown" Job 2:7

JOB HAS NIGHTMARES..HE BLAMES GOD...ERRONEOUSLY.

When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaints; Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions: Job 7:13-14

ELIHU SHOWS THAT JOB HAS BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT STUFF THAT HE DOESN"T UNDERSTAND

Furthermore Elihu answered and said, 2 Hear my words, O ye wise men; and give ear unto me, ye that have knowledge. 3 For the ear trieth words, as the mouth tasteth meat. 4 Let us choose to us judgment: let us know among ourselves what is good. 5 For Job hath said, I am righteous: and God hath taken away my judgment. 6 Should I lie against my right? my wound is incurable without transgression. 7 What man is like Job, who drinketh up scorning like water? 8 Which goeth in company with the workers of iniquity, and walketh with wicked men. Job 34:1-8

GOD ADMONISHES JOB FOR SPEAKING ABOUT THINGS WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE...JOB REPENTS


1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Job 38:1- 3

Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered the LORD, and said, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me Job 40:1-7

Then Job answered the LORD, and said, I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not. Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. Job 42:1-6


To my friends and doubters, there is much in the dreamworld that is beyond the description of naturl words...I ask some simple questions. In Psalm 91 we are told not to be afraid of the terror by night, nor the pestilence that walketh in darkness?...what is God speaking about....Have you every wondered how a demon actually enters into a person or torments a man...since man is flesh and blood, then flesh and blood does not have the answer....Jesus cast out devils by His word...He declared that His word is spirit and life...What is spirit?

Truth rests with Jesus...not with man's wisdom...you say your son is only 10 years old. That is more than old enough to exercise authority and walk in righteousness. He that is joined to the Lord is One Spirit...Jesus is the One who is able...whether we are 5 years old or 105 years old, it is His power...it is not limited by age...nothing can bind His words...

Keep your focus and embrace the truth in all areas...if you are not able to receive that which I share, then that is okay.....my objective is not to shackle you with any burdens or place obstacles in your way....just remember that Jesus' love towards us is perfect...and His perfect love casts out fear...things which torment us and cause us to be filled with fear are not gifts from above...He has given us a comforter...and has left us His joy and His peace... Let us make sure that we do not yield to any thoughts that give place to the devil in anyway...

There is no particular methodology for victory...there is only One Truth, Jesus....His will is that we walk in Him and move in Him...Speak these kind of words into the spiritual realm around your son...do it by faith, and not by natural sight...you can also ask Jesus to reveal to you anything which may be trying to harm your son or keep him from having peaceful nights...we're on the same team...and that's alright with me.

 

[princebernard]

Why can he only rebuke the fear/attack in his sleep? I would suggest, a) going around the house and praying a boundary around the house that would protect you, saying "Nothing that is not from God is not allowed past this point." and b) He can always pray against anything that is scaring him when he wakes up. I do this! Whether it's just a bad dream that brings about fear or it's demonic, he can pray against it when he wakes up.

That doesn't solve the dreams entirely, but just because he's asleep doesn't mean he can't participate in what's going on. And, I think that physically going around the house and praying with him might help him feel safer, like he's actually done something (just praying about it might not feel so concrete as walking and praying). It's sad that such things have come up so young, but kids are also powerful warriors!

P.S. No one ever told me about demons as a kid, but I used to be enchanted with any "true" books about ghosts, etc, and scare myself before going to bed. I am still afraid to look at windows at night for fear of someone looking in. So, it's unfortunate that his father exposed him to things he shouldn't have been yet, but even if that hadn't happened, kids find out stuff all the time they shouldn't know about yet. I wish someone had taught me how to pray against the fear!

 

[whitestar]

Why can he only rebuke the fear/attack in his sleep? I would suggest, a) going around the house and praying a boundary around the house that would protect you, saying "Nothing that is not from God is not allowed past this point." and b) He can always pray against anything that is scaring him when he wakes up. I do this! Whether it's just a bad dream that brings about fear or it's demonic, he can pray against it when he wakes up.

That doesn't solve the dreams entirely, but just because he's asleep doesn't mean he can't participate in what's going on. And, I think that physically going around the house and praying with him might help him feel safer, like he's actually done something (just praying about it might not feel so concrete as walking and praying). It's sad that such things have come up so young, but kids are also powerful warriors!

P.S. No one ever told me about demons as a kid, but I used to be enchanted with any "true" books about ghosts, etc, and scare myself before going to bed. I am still afraid to look at windows at night for fear of someone looking in. So, it's unfortunate that his father exposed him to things he shouldn't have been yet, but even if that hadn't happened, kids find out stuff all the time they shouldn't know about yet. I wish someone had taught me how to pray against the fear!

He is not the spiritual head of this home for one thing so does not have the spiritual authority to do it. ....and it WOULD cause him to focus on demons and evil spirits and feed that fear...I see it causing more harm them good.

 

[whitestar]

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. Job 1:12

In the next few verses, we see the devil at work. Job's servants are killed and his livestock stolen, fire falls from heaven and destroys his sheep, his camels are stolen, and then his sons and daughters are all killed. All was done at the hand of Satan..for God does not do evil...

JOB STOOD LIKE A RIGHTEOS MAN AND DID NOT SIN
In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. Job 1:22

Yet...Job's challenges are not done. Satan starts buffeting him again after getting the green light from God. "So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown" Job 2:7

JOB HAS NIGHTMARES..HE BLAMES GOD...ERRONEOUSLY.

When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaints; Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions: Job 7:13-14

ELIHU SHOWS THAT JOB HAS BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT STUFF THAT HE DOESN"T UNDERSTAND

Furthermore Elihu answered and said, 2 Hear my words, O ye wise men; and give ear unto me, ye that have knowledge. 3 For the ear trieth words, as the mouth tasteth meat. 4 Let us choose to us judgment: let us know among ourselves what is good. 5 For Job hath said, I am righteous: and God hath taken away my judgment. 6 Should I lie against my right? my wound is incurable without transgression. 7 What man is like Job, who drinketh up scorning like water? 8 Which goeth in company with the workers of iniquity, and walketh with wicked men. Job 34:1-8

GOD ADMONISHES JOB FOR SPEAKING ABOUT THINGS WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE...JOB REPENTS


1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Job 38:1- 3

Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered the LORD, and said, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me Job 40:1-7

Then Job answered the LORD, and said, I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not. Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. Job 42:1-6


To my friends and doubters, there is much in the dreamworld that is beyond the description of naturl words...I ask some simple questions. In Psalm 91 we are told not to be afraid of the terror by night, nor the pestilence that walketh in darkness?...what is God speaking about....Have you every wondered how a demon actually enters into a person or torments a man...since man is flesh and blood, then flesh and blood does not have the answer....Jesus cast out devils by His word...He declared that His word is spirit and life...What is spirit?

Truth rests with Jesus...not with man's wisdom...you say your son is only 10 years old. That is more than old enough to exercise authority and walk in righteousness. He that is joined to the Lord is One Spirit...Jesus is the One who is able...whether we are 5 years old or 105 years old, it is His power...it is not limited by age...nothing can bind His words...

Keep your focus and embrace the truth in all areas...if you are not able to receive that which I share, then that is okay.....my objective is not to shackle you with any burdens or place obstacles in your way....just remember that Jesus' love towards us is perfect...and His perfect love casts out fear...things which torment us and cause us to be filled with fear are not gifts from above...He has given us a comforter...and has left us His joy and His peace... Let us make sure that we do not yield to any thoughts that give place to the devil in anyway...

There is no particular methodology for victory...there is only One Truth, Jesus....His will is that we walk in Him and move in Him...Speak these kind of words into the spiritual realm around your son...do it by faith, and not by natural sight...you can also ask Jesus to reveal to you anything which may be trying to harm your son or keep him from having peaceful nights...we're on the same team...and that's alright with me.

I do not agree with how you have interpruted Job. My son CANNOT rebuke in his dreams...one day he will but so far he can't..please stop acting like you disprove or don't believe me on this.

Please leave me alone....all you are doing is making me feel like son is retarded or defective in some way and its really upsetting me.

I came here looking for answers about his dream...I got them...I didn't ask for you or anyone else to approve of my posting them. I don't like being hounded like this.

Just leave me alone...you are doing more harm then good. I didn't come here to ask if I should post his dream or not.

If he has anymore I will post them on here and if you or other don't like it you can complain to a mod but this is what this fourm is for! good grief...

I am about ready to rebuke you in the Name of Jesus...

 

[Nebulosa]

...you say your son is only 10 years old. That is more than old enough to exercise authority and walk in righteousness. He that is joined to the Lord is One Spirit...Jesus is the One who is able...whether we are 5 years old or 105 years old, it is His power...it is not limited by age...nothing can bind His words...

I suppose a two year old could rebuke a devil but, is that really the point?

THE CHILD

Tell your son DREAMS AREN'T REAL they're just movies playing in his head. DREAMS AREN'T REAL. They may indeed carry messages but THEY AREN'T REAL. Please, keep him away from all this talk of demons. Make the devil out to be no one to worry about, that is true, we aren't to worry about him. Kids are sensitive and demon talk probably both fascinates and terrifies him. Tell him who the devil really is, an outlaw who's on the run. He's an outlaw without a gun making scary faces which, are only masks, making scary sounds but, he's got no teeth. The power of darkness was broken through the work of Christ. If we over dramatize the devil's power we embed emotionally charged and vivid imaginations into the child's mind.

 

[princebernard]

I do not agree with how you have interpruted Job. My son CANNOT rebuke in his dreams...one day he will but so far he can't..please stop acting like you disprove or don't believe me on this.

Please leave me alone....all you are doing is making me feel like son is retarded or defective in some way and its really upsetting me.

I came here looking for answers about his dream...I got them...I didn't ask for you or anyone else to approve of my posting them. I don't like being hounded like this.

Just leave me alone...you are doing more harm then good. I didn't come here to ask if I should post his dream or not.

If he has anymore I will post them on here and if you or other don't like it you can complain to a mod but this is what this fourm is for! good grief...

I am about ready to rebuke you in the Name of Jesus...

I offer you my sincerrest apologies... We are supposed to be members of the same body. Not enemies. Under no circumstance whatsoever would I intentionally offend you or your son.

For your info, God allowed me to go through much suffering in this area before giving me a commandment to teach in this area. Apparently, I'm not doing a good job here.

I just would ask you to remove any animosity in your heart. Because again, I have meant you no harm. There is no glory in putting obstacles in another person's path. That would be the last thing that I want to do...

As far as Job goes and the "interpretation, I would encourage you to sit down and study it for yourself and ask God for enlightenment. He is not a liar, nor a deceiver. And certainly, He is not one who torments His children.

Jesus is faithful. Love you. Keep yourself in the peace.

(BTW, I have no qualms whatsoever with you posting the details of the dream. If you went to www dreammoods.com, then you would see a thread in the nightmare section where I help people with bad dreams. They are encouraged to post the details.).

Anyway, I'm long winded. You have a good night. And just continue believe that "With God all things are possible!"

 

[Nebulosa]

Ooops!

 

[Nebulosa]

White Star,

Somehow I missed your post regarding the history of exposure your son had to negative impressions.

Thank you for taking the time to share these things. Sorry for coming off like you were the "bad-guy" I'm sensitive about children. If the world were only kids and dogs I'd be a king, cause kids and dogs seem to naturally love me and my heart sings when I see babies or children happy and playing in bliss.

I've had some bouts with unreasonable fears as an adult, and the way I overcame the fear was, by quoting the scripture and personalizing it, over time this renewed my mind. I quoted "God has not given me a spirit of fear but power love and a sound mind" I quoted this over and over and over and over and learned also to face my fears: some of those fears came in my dreams, they were giants I learned to attack instead of flee from. I think the scripture gave my deeper mind the strength to overcome in my sleep and at night sometimes in the dark when I'd have night terrors or unreasonable attacks of fear.

Now when something seen or unseen bothers me I usually just quote that scripture and call on the name of Jesus. This produces a sense of bliss. It took time for me to learn this but, your child may learn much quicker then me. I'm a bit of a slow learner.

I'll join you in your prayers for your son.

Thanks Again!