something that bothers me...

[JohnMarsten]

the King James version even comes up with the word strong dring

26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

and thou shalt rejoice... does that ring any bell, the Lord wants us to rejoice and have fun from time to time...

 

[JohnMarsten]

another thing that strikes me in regard to the whole thing is the following

23And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

fear of the Lord through drinking and feasting ?

to be honest when I first read that little chapter I was quite shocked

first because it involved tithes, which I always believed were quite strictly regulated,

second, because it involved quite a lot of fun (I believe)

btw has anyone ever seen the SDAs to set aside some of their tithes to buy food and stuff and share with the poor?? me never! so if tithes are still valid today, this sort of tithing should be too... but then the money couldnt be used for... yes, for what...

 

[JohnMarsten]

Finally you are not going to drink fermented wine in the New Jerusalem so it seem practical to prepare not to drink now!​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

besides, you are not going to get married in New Jerusalem, so it would seem practical to prepare and live a life of a single forevermore... ever thought about that?

 

[Princessdi]

Well said. I believe in our sincere but exptreme zeal for the thingd of God, we forget to stay in our lane. Far too often we end up in God's lane........

There are a couple thousand Christian churches in the US with widely different understandings of the Bible. I doubt any of them perceive themselves to be in opposition to the word of God. I believe scripture was written on purpose for this. We all find whatever we are looking for regardless of our doctrines or desires. Any group that sees itself as having a self-defining understanding of God's word will always have an uphill battle to prove it to the rest of us. To place the rest of Christianity outside of God's will because it violates your particular version of truth is a vain assumption regardless of how many Bible verses you may use. It's not about the Bible; it's about you.....and all of us. We are God's letters and we are his truth.
"Letters were written so men could be free, but men make themselves slaves of the letters."

 

[JohnMarsten]

JohnMarsten​

Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Pro 20:1​

They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Pro 23:30-32​

Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. ​

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. Pro 31:5-7 ​

For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 1Pe 4:3​

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 1Co 5:11 ​

I provided these Scriptures to show that drinking the wrong wine (fermented) is not the wine known as new wine or grape juice. What has been the problem of the translators is the deception in many cases. Even with the word drunkard from the Greek that does not mean to get drunk instead it means intoxication or poison. When you drink strong drink and fermented wine you will pay and it is a sin. It is not how much it is when it turns from grape juice and ferments it become poisonous in the blood and damages the brain.​

Other ministers and churches do not want this to be known and if they are true Bible scholar they know Hebrew and Greek.

Finally you are not going to drink fermented wine in the New Jerusalem so it seem practical to prepare not to drink now!​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

Hey stinsonmarri

but this time you didnt comment on my posts

do you truly think the passages I presented are mistranslation, and deception? Is God really allowing a drink here, or is it again grape juice? Maybe fermented drink originally meant apple juice

 

[keyboard321]

the King James version even comes up with the word strong dring

26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

and thou shalt rejoice... does that ring any bell, the Lord wants us to rejoice and have fun from time to time...

Strong drink is translated from the word "shekar". "Shekar" is condemned by Solomon as a brawler (Proverbs 20:1). And Isaiah pronounces a woe upon those who "run after strong drink" (shekar) - Isa 5:11

 

[JohnMarsten]

Strong drink is translated from the word "shekar". "Shekar" is condemned by Solomon as a brawler (Proverbs 20:1). And Isaiah pronounces a woe upon those who "run after strong drink" (shekar) - Isa 5:11

First of all, like I mention numerous times, the Lord Himself in Deuteronomy allows that or at least thats what have read in my bible, that is why I invite everybody to freely comment on that, I am just curious about your opinions, yet nobody really commented on that verse that I quoted. I know the stuff from deuteronomy is kinda hard to accept and even understand for an SDA, first of all because it involves tithings and by doing so questions in a way the tithing system of the SDA (which is questionable indeed IMHO).

As for Solomon, what he actually condems in that verse is the man who is led astray by those... yep, thats what I read...

I know SDA generally havent got too many experiences with alcohol, and again I must point out that I, too, generally tend towards abstinence that meeting up with a few drunks and get boozed. THat is definitely not what I am advocating.

However, it is possible to have a drink a not become a brawler or a mocker, that is of course if you are wise, and only he is wise who received wisdom from the Lord, again, I am not telling anyone to start drinking as Paul says: It is good if you dont eat meat and dont drink wine!!!

it is just bad IMHO to condemn people in general who drink (lets say occasionally) and put them on a lower pedestal in regard to holiness and stuff. I mean can one be a pastor in the SDA church and have a drink from time to time? Can one be a priest in the catholic church and have a wife? Yep, I think you are getting my point!

... and I guess it is good for catholic priests not to have wifes as they will be able to spend more time with their congregation shepherding...