Something Ive always wondered about...

[PoorBoy]

Ive always wondered this and its one of those conversasions or thoughts that can go on forever kinda like where does space end...

 

GOD knows the future correct?I mean he knows what in your will before you do it.Your already planned out.Why does he put the people that he knows that arent going to make it down here?I mean yeah we have our gift to dicide for ourselves what to do but if he already knows the outcome then why evben put those people down here?

 

Just wondered.

Thanks

 

[Blessed-one]

God gives everyone a chance to accept Him, Jesus came to save everyone, if only we believed. I guess He knows how it's gonna turn out if someone chose to ignore Him, as well as if that someone chose to believe in Him.

 

[PoorBoy]

I understand what you mean but what Im saying is before were even on this earth he knows whats going to happen to us doesnt he?

 

Yeah we have the choice but he already knows what choice we will make right?

 

[hasbeens2000]

Originally posted by PoorBoy
Why does He put the people that he knows that arent going to make it down here?

I know what you're asking, because if you only look at the end result, it doesn't make any sense.  Because God knows everyone's outcome, It's almost like He's condemning those He knows will reject Him before they're even born.

But God's not like that, and I'll explain why.

Some of the gifts God has given us have a very high price tag.  Free will is one of those.  God will not force Himself on us, because He knows that is not the essence of love.  True love--the kind God is looking for from us--can only come as the result of a choice.  We must choose to love Him, as He has chosen to love all of us. 

Here is where the answer to your question lies.  If God only made people He knew would choose Him, that wouldn't be a real choice, would it?  If everyone who ever lived loved God, there would really be no option not to, because we wouldn't know there was one.  Does that make sense?

Certainly, the price for this particular gift is high.  It has been, and will continue to be paid by those who choose to reject Him.  And like the sacrifice of His Son, the thought of losing so many of His children breaks His heart.  But He also knows that is the price of true love.

 

[Ultimate]

Hey Poorboy, I think of it this way.
lets say I knew the future about my life and my kids and I knew that my first child would end up on drugs and and hate me and want nothing to do with me would I then have children anyway?
maybe not... but what if I also knew that my 2nd and 3rd child would be great and that they would love me like no other and that I would build the greatest relationship with them. would I then have kids? I would...Another though to put in your mind, God knows the future but it seems that he goes through time with us (when we stand in jugment I beleive there will be great tears in our Lords eyes)
Just like us we know the future that our parents are gonna die one day but it doesnt mean were crying now.
I hope that this helps, Im not saying it biblical, Its just helps my little mind understand

 

[papakapp]

Remember the parable of the wheat field? (Matthew 13:24-30) The enemy went into the field and sewed weeds among the wheat. Then the sevrants on the field owner asked "Should we go into the field and pull out the weeds?" The field owner said "No, because you will uproot some of the wheat if you pull up the weeds."

In this parable God is the field owner and The enemy who sewed weeds is the devil.

Suppose two non christians have a child that grows up and becomes a christian. The reazon that God allowed those non christians to live is so they could give birth to the christian.

God is going to wait untill every last one of his children come home.

In Romans 11:25-27 it talks about God waiting for the full number of gentiles to come in.

Remember that verse in Revelation 6:9-11 where the saints ask God "How much longer must we suffer?"
The reply is "Untill the full number of your fellow servants are killed and beaten."

So there are 3 reazons from the bible. The last one is the one that finally made me understand. I was like..."OH! we have to be refined through trials before we are fully trained. we need to learn patience and perserverence in this life first.

 

[prodigal]

In order for God to be considered just, he had to treat everyone the same, he could not show favoritism. This means that everyone, at some point in their life, had the opportunity to accept God. Whether they do or not, when it is all said and done, and we are standing before God, no one can say that they did not get the opportunity to choose God.

 

[Messenger]

I believe without having bad we would not understand good. We need bad people to appreciate good people. If everyone was good and perfect we would not have free will. God gave us all the chance....in the end the people who choose God will live with other people who choose God in a wonderful world. I think we need an imperfect world to truely appreciate a perfect world. And as others have said we will all have the opportunity to accept God but He doesn't force us to....now that is true love.

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by PoorBoy
GOD knows the future correct?

Correct.

I mean he knows what in your will before you do it.

Yes.

Your already planned out.

Yes.

Why does he put the people that he knows that arent going to make it down here?

My answer to this part of your question is similar to Messenger's. However, IMO, it has nothing to do with "bad people" and "good people." The truth is, prior to God changing our hearts, we are all bad. Prior to Him regenerating our fallen heart we are all enemies of God. God has elected certain people for salvation before the foundations of the earth (Matt 25:34; Eph 1:3-6). His election is not based on what the person had done, is doing, or will do in the future (Rom 9:16; Rom 11:5-8; Eph 1:9; Matt 11:27; John 6:44). The issue is not why He doesn't extend His saving grace to everyone, it is the fact that He saved some that don't deserve to be saved. Think about it, if you are saved from a deserved death and you are able to live knowing the depths of depravity you were rescued from because you see it in the world around you, wouldn't you be joyful and thankful and want to live in a manner worthy of the Gospel? Of course you would. It is sad to us that some aren't saved and are left to their fallen nature. But, since God is Just, it isn't "unfair." Their unrighteous acts, whom they only have themselves to blame, gives God Just cause for their condemnation.

I mean yeah we have our gift to dicide for ourselves what to do but if he already knows the outcome then why evben put those people down here?

I assume you're talking about "free will." The problem with this widely used, and mostly misused, term is that it doesn't take into account our inability to respond contrary to our fallen nature. Unless God changes our nature (heart) Jesus' death would mean nothing to us and we would continue on a path of pursuing an unrighteous end.

I encourage you to continue to study God's Word to find out if what I'm telling you is true. If you have any questions just post them or PM me.

God bless.

 

[Messenger]

Very well stated Reformationist...Cute baby too!
Love and God Bless,
Messenger

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by Messenger
Very well stated Reformationist

Thank you!

Cute baby too!

Love and God Bless,
Messenger

And thank you again!

God bless you too!