You are welcome to attempt it. You can't disprove anything and haven't of course. Only proving a hard heart publicly... wow, good luck with that
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You are welcome to attempt it. You can't disprove anything and haven't of course. Only proving a hard heart publicly... wow, good luck with thatAll I need to disprove the assertion you're advocating here is to be aware of at least one person for whom the existence of Yahweh is not 'obvious'. As it happens, I am aware of at least one such person - me.
By predicating the assertion on information accessible only to me, this verse provides me with 100% certainty that the Bible is false, and consequently, that your 'god' Yahweh doesn't exist. Thanks for sharing.
So you're a Muslim then? Remember, the Quran says you are without excuse.My heart is not hardened toward God is the point here.
Why is your heart hardened, Winepress?You are welcome to attempt it. You can't disprove anything and haven't of course. Only proving a hard heart publicly... wow, good luck with that
You are welcome to attempt it. You can't disprove anything and haven't of course.
You are so clever, my my!I just did, actually.
You have predicated your assertion on information you have no access to - my thoughts. You can't actually know whether the existence of Yahweh is obvious to me, but I can. I do have access to that information, and am therefor in a position to know, with 100% certainty, that you are wrong.
Why? The assumption that half a lifetime of careful study can be undone by one silly video about creationism is not reasonable. My God is not a deceiver; what evidence he gives us in creation is the truth because God cannot lie. Lies come from the other place.
You are so clever, my my!
This creates problems for a sentient being though, doesn't it? I mean, before time existed, then it would be impossible to have a train of thought. You couldn't think A then B then C... Everything would have to be simultaneous. And without the concept of "after" you would be unable to predict the future and when it is going to happen. You wouldn't be able to make an ordered plan of things because the concept of things being chronologically ordered doesn't exist yet.Eternity is outside time, not part of it. It is not endless today and the next day and the next. It is an endless now with no beginning and no end. In eternity concepts such as before, after, now and then no longer exist.
But how would he be able to create time in the first place? Timeless implies changeless, but making a decision to create and then acting on it is a temporal sequence.This creates problems for a sentient being though, doesn't it? I mean, before time existed, then it would be impossible to have a train of thought. You couldn't think A then B then C... Everything would have to be simultaneous. And without the concept of "after" you would be unable to predict the future and when it is going to happen. You wouldn't be able to make an ordered plan of things because the concept of things being chronologically ordered doesn't exist yet.
I understand that God would be beyond our understanding, so the answer can come from something like this. But I think if he were real, then "time" would have to be the first thing he created just so that things could make sense. So many powers of omnipotence rely on time existing it is impossible for me to fathom those powers existing without time existing.
But then you have to think about the fact that some hearts are hardened by God, and then acknowledge that it may be God who makes it impossible for those people to ever see evidence of God.A "hardened heart" is the one and only thing that will prevent us from seeing God and His Creation, He does say that, so then that can be the only answer if one denies the obvious. Then it is pointless to discuss to a hard hearted person.
Yes. The hard hearted have their role to play as "dishonorable vessels". They are unwitting participants in a scenario much greater than their comprehension, simply put here to "try" the honorable believers in their stedfast faith.But then you have to think about the fact that some hearts are hardened by God, and then acknowledge that it may be God who makes it impossible for those people to ever see evidence of God.
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. Romans 9:18
Why are you "trying" people, Winepress?Yes. The hard hearted have their role to play as "dishonorable vessels". They are unwitting participants in a scenario much greater than their comprehension, simply put here to "try" the honorable believers in their stedfast faith.
that's an easy question to answer, god has always existed.What I can't understand is where did this God come from?
Greetings Dave,Christians, well in fact Muslims and Jews and for all I know many other religions "explain" the existence of the universe, the solar system, humanity etc by the fact it was created by a God (maybe the same god, maybe not?), and some justify this by saying that the chances of intelligent life are near impossible without a creator.
What I can't understand is where did this God come from? If the chances of intelligent life evolving over billions of years are very remote, then what are the chances of a being existing who is capable of making the heavens and everything in them just by willing it to happen. Where did he/ she/ it come from, who made God?
in my atheist, logical mind, the existence of this all powerful, all pervading being seems much more unlikely than natural forces evolving in tiny steps over billions of years, resulting in where we are now. What do Christians think about the origins of God, and if the answer is that God "just exists", why can't the universe "just exist"?
No one has an excuse to not believe the obvious;
A "hardened heart" is the one and only thing that will prevent us from seeing God and His Creation, He does say that, so then that can be the only answer if one denies the obvious. Then it is pointless to discuss to a hard hearted person.
incorrect analogy.Things don't just create themselves. Could a computer have come into being without the hand of man?
No.
this is the only answer when it comes to a god.I say there has to be a Divine Creator... something we do not understand...
another incorrect analogy, this moves god into the physical universe, and so far no such thing has been detected.I think of the Creator as an energy force....
Did you know that the Quran has a very similar line in it? It claims that you are without excuse for not accepting the doctrines of Islam.
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