Something I am pondering.

[DeaconDean]

John 10:34 says:

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

I've been reading a book entitled "Jesus and the Gospels" By: Craig Blomburg.

I know what he says, and I have to admit I agree with it.

But what do you think this passage of scripture is getting at?

Are the Jehovah's Witnesses correct and we are going to be "gods" or is there another explanation?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[1watchman]

The rendering is properly "of God" (elohim), and the Lord is referring to their religious self-righteousness. In the Jews religion the covenant people were of God and blessed as a nation (though individuals may have been reprobate). The JW's are not godly, even if a very few are truly saved and only deceived by the religion.

 

[jamantc]

No doubt, JW's are not godly. However, I always thought this verse was referring to Psalm 82:6, which addressed the judges of Israel, not because of divine nature, but because they represented God when judging the nation when they strayed form God and His righteousness?

 

[SeventhValley]

Psalms 82:1-7 KJV

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Seems to say the children of God are like gods only to be judged by him.

 

[DeaconDean]

No doubt, JW's are not godly. However, I always thought this verse was referring to Psalm 82:6, which addressed the judges of Israel, not because of divine nature, but because they represented God when judging the nation when they strayed form God and His righteousness?

Bingo!

You are the first one to get this correct.

Craig Blomburg wrote and pointed it out that nowhere in the gospels does Jesus promise us we will be gods.

And the verse is a point back to Psa. 82:6 in reference to the judges and others.

John Gill points out:

Psalms 82:6

Ver. 6. I have said, ye are gods[SIZE=+1],.... In the law, Ex 21:6[SIZE=+1] or they were so by his appointment and commission; he constituted them judges and magistrates, invested them with such an office, by which they came to have this title; see Ro 13:1[SIZE=+1], and so our Lord interprets these words, that they were gods "to whom" the word of God came, which gave them a commission and authority to exercise their office, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Joh 10:35[SIZE=+1], or rather "against whom" it came, pronouncing the sentence of death on them, as in Ps 82:7[SIZE=+1], to which the reference is; declaring, that though they were gods by office, yet were mortal men, and should die. The Targum is, "I said, as angels are ye accounted"; and so judges and civil magistrates had need to be as angels, and to have the wisdom of them; see 2Sa 14:20[SIZE=+1]. Jarchi interprets it of angels, but magistrates are undoubtedly meant:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]and all of you are children of the most High[SIZE=+1]; the Targum here again renders it,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]"the angels of the most High:''[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]and so Aben Ezra explains it of them who are called the sons of God, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Job 38:7[SIZE=+1] but men in power are meant, who, because of their eminency and dignity, their high office, post, and place, are so called; see Ge 6:2.[/SIZE]
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Reps coming to you.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[godenver1]

The rendering is properly "of God" (elohim), and the Lord is referring to their religious self-righteousness. In the Jews religion the covenant people were of God and blessed as a nation (though individuals may have been reprobate). The JW's are not godly, even if a very few are truly saved and only deceived by the religion.

Hi 1watchmen. So you believe (even if it is "very truly few") JW's can be saved by following the JW doctrine? This is something I've pondered recently. I've wondered if I should 'witness' to my JW friend or not.

 

[1watchman]

Certainly one should witness for Jesus Christ to all that are receptive. I did not say that one can be saved by "following the JW doctrine", but that there are real "born again" believers in every religious group it seems, in spite of the false teachings there. Many naïve souls are deceived to stay with various sects because they are not reading the Word of God, and listen only to the false teachers. Perhaps Christians can share the truth and help one see the path God has for faithful ones and get clear of the sect.

If you have opportunity to witness to a friend, help them to read John 1; John 3; John 14, where the Gospel is made plain; then they might see the godly path in a true scriptural assembly (see biblecounsel.net for a sound testimony).

 

[Alithis]

John 10:34 says:

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

I've been reading a book entitled "Jesus and the Gospels" By: Craig Blomburg.

I know what he says, and I have to admit I agree with it.

But what do you think this passage of scripture is getting at?

Are the Jehovah's Witnesses correct and we are going to be "gods" or is there another explanation?

God Bless

Till all are one.

it i think is the mormans that say they will be gods of their own planets lol
but the term "god" basically means SPIRIT .. as it is written God is SPIRIT ..he is the most HIGH SPIRIT ..none before him none like him .
he spoke and his speaking made the heavens and the earth ..he spoke and his word appeared to Moses as a burning bush,he spoke and his word became flesh and his name is JESUS ..
we - are already spirits housed in a corrupted body of flesh and dead in sin ..in that we are separated,cut off from ,the great most high Spirit of life whom we refer to as "GOD" - who is the most HIGH SPIRIT .
we wil not "be "spirits we already are living spirits made alive in Christ .. before faith in Jesus we are already dead in sin ,already on our way to a place cut off from LIFE for eternity ..thus dead in our sins .
but praise God the GREAT AND MOST HIGH SPIRIT that he has spoken to save us and his word became flesh and died on our behalf that in him we might live and not die .. he is the one true living God and he gives his glory to no one else .

 

[Bluelion]

Bingo!

You are the first one to get this correct.

Craig Blomburg wrote and pointed it out that nowhere in the gospels does Jesus promise us we will be gods.

And the verse is a point back to Psa. 82:6 in reference to the judges and others.

John Gill points out:



Source

Reps coming to you.

God Bless

Till all are one.

That's interesting I always thought he was referring to us being true sons of God. because The Son lives in us, and The Father lives in The Son, The Father also lives in us through Jesus making us true sons of God, and true heirs. I should say we are slaves to God, but God lifts us up to sons and daughters.

 

[jamantc]

That's interesting I always thought he was referring to us being true sons of God. because The Son lives in us, and The Father lives in The Son, The Father also lives in us through Jesus making us true sons of God, and true heirs. I should say we are slaves to God, but God lifts us up to sons and daughters.

In the old testament, judges were sometimes referred to as "gods" due to their acting in God's place in dispersing judgment. Elohim is used not only to refer to God, but also to false gods, angels, and in some circumstances men acting in divine nature on behalf of God or divine functions. The argument Jesus is making is not to take offense because He used Elohim to refer to Himself but that those listening should examine His credentials to prove that God the Father was the One who sent Him into the world. Same for the word "law". It not only referred to the Pentateuch or Torah but to many parts of the Old Testament as legal authority. Scripture is awesome my brother, simply awesome!!!

 

[Bluelion]

In the old testament, judges were sometimes referred to as "gods" due to their acting in God's place in dispersing judgment. Elohim is used not only to refer to God, but also to false gods, angels, and in some circumstances men acting in divine nature on behalf of God or divine functions. The argument Jesus is making is not to take offense because He used Elohim to refer to Himself but that those listening should examine His credentials to prove that God the Father was the One who sent Him into the world. Same for the word "law". It not only referred to the Pentateuch or Torah but to many parts of the Old Testament as legal authority. Scripture is awesome my brother, simply awesome!!!

that makes sense.