Someone said men came from apes.

[Todd Grace]

This came to me from some blog site and is the opening comment by someone saying we came from apes.

By the time that our ape ancestors split from the line that would produce chimpanzees, which happened about 4 million to 7 million years ago.
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That humans evolved from apes in 4 million years is <staff edit>. Absolutlely impossible. It is these types of claims that make evolutionists look stupid. There is NO fossil evidence. Anthropologists have faked interpretations from hunks of fossils from other animals at times. They create intermediary skeletons from their minds with tiny fragments they dub [from early man] then build an entire skeleton based on a few teeth or small skull fragment in an attempt to fill in gaps which don't and have never existed. Lucy the skeleton was a flat out hoax that was later admitted to by it's so called [discoverers] but even today it gets used sometimes. They brainwash students with a picture of all these skeletons showing an ape slowly standing up to finally become man but nothing has EVER been unearthed of shown through DNA to make this possible. The only PROOf is when people theorize an impose it with their minds.
The evidence shows a human has never been anything else but a human.

 

[RipleyCountyChristian]

Someone said men came from apes.....

Well I say men came form God...

 

[CryptoLutheran]

This came to me from some blog site and is the opening comment by someone saying we came from apes.

By the time that our ape ancestors split from the line that would produce chimpanzees, which happened about 4 million to 7 million years ago.
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That humans evolved from apes in 4 million years is BS [ Bull spit ]. Absolutlely impossible. It is these types of claims that make evolutionists look stupid. There is NO fossil evidence. Anthropologists have faked interpretations from hunks of fossils from other animals at times. They create intermediary skeletons from their minds with tiny fragments they dub [from early man] then build an entire skeleton based on a few teeth or small skull fragment in an attempt to fill in gaps which don't and have never existed. Lucy the skeleton was a flat out hoax that was later admitted to by it's so called [discoverers] but even today it gets used sometimes. They brainwash students with a picture of all these skeletons showing an ape slowly standing up to finally become man but nothing has EVER been unearthed of shown through DNA to make this possible. The only PROOf is when people theorize an impose it with their minds.
The evidence shows a human has never been anything else but a human.

Nope, we didn't evolve from apes. We do, however, share a common ancestor with apes.

Also not all transitional fossils are small chips of bone. Homo habilis, for example, is known from several remains, including a nearly complete skull.

Evolution happens, and that's okay. God is still the Almighty Maker of heaven and earth, of all things seen and unseen.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Todd Grace]

If we did evolve from apes at the rate suggested, some 4 million years, we would have to be experiencing that continual change. 4 million years is like a second in proposed evolutionary theory and certainly does not allow even remotely enough time for an ape to undergo the mutations nes. to get from ape to human. Using models proposed by the most renown evolutionist the process is just too slow to go from ape to human in 4 million years. Also, even if that mutation rate was correct [ this is the bomb] we would be under going change still.
If we went from ape to human in a mere 4 million years, in 4 more million years just think of the type of creature we will become. Alas, not only is there zero proof or any measurable change what so ever in human DNA continuing to change, we find that [ old humans ] were just like us with a lineage of a Y Chromasome that points specifically to One common male ancestor in the not to distant past.
I'm not a 6,000 year man but the last creature God placed on earth was man. However long ago that was I couldn't say but we come from one common male ancestor, who I'll call Adam, and not a Ape named Coco. That is what the genetic evidences show.

 

[hillard]

I'm not a 6,000 year man but the last creature God placed on earth was man. However long ago that was I couldn't say but we come from one common male ancestor, who I'll call Adam, and not a Ape named Coco. That is what the genetic evidences show.

How long have you been studying genetics or did your pastor tell you this?
if so how long has he been studying genetics?
Do you think the people who wrote the Bible knew anything about genetics?

Do you believe that God caused a world wide flood?

 

[Harry3142]

I myself am an Old Earth Creationist. There is simply too much scientific evidence known today for me to believe that the 65-million year span of time between the last extinction level event admitted to by evolutionists and the present day was free of other ELE's.

There have been numerous collisions of this planet with meteorites of substantial size in the last 38 million years. Here are some of the impact sites, along with when the collision occurred and the diameter of the resultant crater:

1. Canada; 38 million years ago; 17 miles in diameter.

2. Chesapeake bay; 35 million years ago; 53 miles in diameter.

3. Canada; 23 million years ago; 15 miles in diameter.

4. Germany; 15 million years ago; 15 miles in diameter.

5. Tajikistan; 10 million years ago; 32 miles in diameter.

6. Ghana; 1.5 million years ago; 6.5 miles in diameter.

Add to these at least three super-eruptions that have occurred in Yellowstone within the last 2 million years, the eruption of Ngorongoro about 2.6 million years ago, and the super-eruption of Mt. Toba 70,000 years ago.

And what happened as a direct result of these collisions? Any animal who had to live on the surface of this planet was either cremated, torn apart by the concussive force, suffocated either immediately of shortly afterwards by the dust and ash, or, if they survived all these ways of destroying them, were condemned to a slower death, but a death, nonetheless.

It's called either 'meteoric' or 'volcanic' winter. The entire surface of this planet dropped to the average temperature of a walk-in freezer, and then remained there year-round for at least 3 years, and in all probability for decades.Measurable snowfall covered the ground during this entire time.

And why did this happen? All the events I've listed were sufficient to propel dust and ash into the very edge of our atmosphere, where it spread out like a blanket, completely enveloping the earth in a covering that blocked the sun's rays from even getting into our atmosphere, much less the surface. Without those lifegiving rays, this planet became cold and dead, and remained that way until God saw fit to repopulate it.

 

[savedandthankful]

This came to me from some blog site and is the opening comment by someone saying we came from apes.

By the time that our ape ancestors split from the line that would produce chimpanzees, which happened about 4 million to 7 million years ago.
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I watched a documentary on this. I was really dissapointed because I was hoping that it would at least challenge my belief and get me to do my own research. It didn't.

Much of the show involved speculation from scientists rather than scientific fact. There was one joint in a skeleton that couldn't be explained, so the scientist assumed that it must have resulted from an injury or deformity on that particular skeleton, but he provided absolutley no proof that this was the case. This and other examples in their research did not amount to research at all, but speculation.

Since when has human speculation and assumption become scientific fact? Only since scientists have become desperate to prove evolution as the origin of everything. This would never be allowed to happen in other scientific disciplines. I mean you wouldn't want a scientist relying on assumption before you were prescribed medication they developed. No, it would require proof before it was made available to the general public.

 

[Assyrian]

If we did evolve from apes at the rate suggested, some 4 million years, we would have to be experiencing that continual change. 4 million years is like a second in proposed evolutionary theory and certainly does not allow even remotely enough time for an ape to undergo the mutations nes. to get from ape to human. Using models proposed by the most renown evolutionist the process is just too slow to go from ape to human in 4 million years. Also, even if that mutation rate was correct [ this is the bomb] we would be under going change still.
If we went from ape to human in a mere 4 million years, in 4 more million years just think of the type of creature we will become. Alas, not only is there zero proof or any measurable change what so ever in human DNA continuing to change, we find that [ old humans ] were just like us with a lineage of a Y Chromasome that points specifically to One common male ancestor in the not to distant past.
I'm not a 6,000 year man but the last creature God placed on earth was man. However long ago that was I couldn't say but we come from one common male ancestor, who I'll call Adam, and not a Ape named Coco. That is what the genetic evidences show.

Each one of us is born with 120 to 180 new single point mutations in our DNA which would add up to the differences between us and chimps in about 7 million years. But as CryptoLutheran said God is still creator however he chose to make us.

 

[grace24]

Man without God are beast.

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

 

[Todd Grace]

How long have you been studying genetics or did your pastor tell you this?
if so how long has he been studying genetics?
Do you think the people who wrote the Bible knew anything about genetics?

Do you believe that God caused a world wide flood?

First ques. answer : No
Second ques. What is your specific question related to my post and I'll try and help you understand which part you are unclear about.
Third ques. answer : No Did you think I in an way inferred the writers did?
Fourth ques. Yes
Now a ques. for you. Are you familiar with the worldwide genetic testing which confirmed a middle eastern origin for a common male chromosome for all males? Here's a clue, the group is secular and puts out a magazine.
I'll might answer your educational questions if you stop with the passive aggressive attitude.

 

[Todd Grace]

Each one of us is born with 120 to 180 new single point mutations in our DNA which would add up to the differences between us and chimps in about 7 million years. But as CryptoLutheran said God is still creator however he chose to make us.

The main problem with that is the lack of proof that any changes actually occured.
Not only do we lack intermediary fossils for ape to man evolutionary theory, we have even less showing how apes evolved. It's almost as if primates were put on earth rather than having any predecessors.

 

[Assyrian]

The main problem with that is the lack of proof that any changes actually occured.

Well the fossil record shows hominid skulls increasing in cranial volume and gradually looking more and more human from australopithecus to the present.



You also have genetic evidence, a broken vitamin c gene we share wit the other great apes as well as the distribution of mutations on that gene following the phylogenetic tree of humans and great apes, the distribution of endogenous retroviral insertions on our genome, bits of viral DNA stuck in our chromosomes, form the same phylogenetic tree. You also have the fact that chimps have one more pair of chromosomes than humans, but human chromosome 2 has all the signs of being formed from 2 chromosomes fuse together, you have the remains of two chromosome ends, telomeres, in the middle of chromosome 2. If you look at the banding on chromosome 2 it lines up with chimp chromosome 2A and 2B with the out of place telomeres in human chromosome 2 lining up with the ends of chimps chromosome 2A and 2B.

Not only do we lack intermediary fossils for ape to man evolutionary theory, we have even less showing how apes evolved. It's almost as if primates were put on earth rather than having any predecessors.

You are not suggesting Adam was a primate ancestor of not just humans but gorillas chimps and orangs? The problem is most primates like rainforests and rainforests are not great places for preserving fossils, as a result we have a lot more fossils of hominids who lived on the open savannah than earlier primates. But here is an overview of some of the fossil primates we have going back 70 million years Fossil Primates 1

 

[hillard]

I'm not a 6,000 year man but the last creature God placed on earth was man. However long ago that was I couldn't say but we come from one common male ancestor, who I'll call Adam, and not a Ape named Coco. That is what the genetic evidences show.

How long have you been studying genetics or did your pastor tell you this?
if so how long has he been studying genetics?
Do you think the people who wrote the Bible knew anything about genetics?

Do you believe that God caused a world wide flood?

First ques. answer : No

Does that 'No' mean you have not studied genetics or that your pastor did not tell you?

Second ques. What is your specific question related to my post and I'll try and help you understand which part you are unclear about.

I asked because you seemed sure that the genetic evidence said that we came from one man so I asked how you knew.

Third ques. answer : No Did you think I in an way inferred the writers did?

See answer above.

Fourth ques. Yes

So you think that every person on this planet is decended from Noah and his family and that the whole diversity of animals, plants and insects all came about in the last 4 or 5 thousand years? (or whenever the flood was)

Now a ques. for you. Are you familiar with the worldwide genetic testing which confirmed a middle eastern origin for a common male chromosome for all males? Here's a clue, the group is secular and puts out a magazine.
I'll might answer your educational questions if you stop with the passive aggressive attitude.

No I'm not familiar with that, perhaps a link to the magazine might solve a few problems.

 

[Todd Grace]

Does that 'No' mean you have not studied genetics or that your pastor did not tell you?

I asked because you seemed sure that the genetic evidence said that we came from one man so I asked how you knew.

See answer above.

So you think that every person on this planet is decended from Noah and his family and that the whole diversity of animals, plants and insects all came about in the last 4 or 5 thousand years? (or whenever the flood was)

No I'm not familiar with that, perhaps a link to the magazine might solve a few problems.

Starting with the Noah ques.
No I don't beleive it to be as short as 4 to 5 thousand years.
Every culture has it's own flood story rising indepentently of each other.
I couldn't give you an exact time frame although it would still be to short a peroid for your satisfaction.
A worldwide flood would not eradicate all marine, insect, seed, spore, bacterial, etc... populations, stocks and so on.

I'll get the exact series and funding source. I'm pretty sure Nat. Geo funded the study but allow me a day or two to get the proper documentation. The vultures are hungry and I want to be certain.
I was very surprised PBS ran the special and equally stunned by the apparent conclusion. You might find it yourself by Googling. The DNA swabbing lasted a few years and was conducted all acoss the world.
If you find it let me know and give me your thoughts on the study otherwise give me a couple days I'm working.

 

[Todd Grace]

The reply with the primate slide show is false and misleading. I have written pages yet I'm unable to quote the messege because IT has links in it. In addition to that I can't post links either yet. Here's the info on the Y project showing a simple and concise way to track our origin. The 70 million year stuff is junk and bad theory. As I can post more per the rules I'll deal with that vivid imagination

1. Points of reference. The reference of the genetic prototype for the ... as the center for genetic studies on the indigenous populations of the Middle East and ... Site Editor's Note: Search for the Scientific "Adam," the Genographic Project ... PBS aired a documentary on October 20, 2004, that was shoot alongside ...
   I can not post links I'm too new. I will try and track down a way to. I urge you to watch this show if possible and the companion one also. Now you have the name and date of this show. Awesome stuff. It deals with very provable information.
   

 

[Assyrian]

The reply with the primate slide show is false and misleading. I have written pages yet I'm unable to quote the messege because IT has links in it. In addition to that I can't post links either yet.

You can copy and paste any text you want to reply to.
If you want you can use the quote button

to wrap quotes around it too.

Another alternative if you want to post links is to wander over to the
Recreation Room - Christian Forums and build up your post count there.

 

[Hairy Tic]

This came to me from some blog site and is the opening comment by someone saying we came from apes.

By the time that our ape ancestors split from the line that would produce chimpanzees, which happened about 4 million to 7 million years ago.

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That humans evolved from apes in 4 million years is BS [ Bull spit ]. Absolutlely impossible. It is these types of claims that make evolutionists look stupid. There is NO fossil evidence. Anthropologists have faked interpretations from hunks of fossils from other animals at times. They create intermediary skeletons from their minds with tiny fragments they dub [from early man] then build an entire skeleton based on a few teeth or small skull fragment in an attempt to fill in gaps which don't and have never existed. Lucy the skeleton was a flat out hoax that was later admitted to by it's so called [discoverers] but even today it gets used sometimes.
They brainwash students with a picture of all these skeletons showing an ape slowly standing up to finally become man but nothing has EVER been unearthed of shown through DNA to make this possible. The only PROOf is when people theorize an impose it with their minds.
The evidence shows a human has never been anything else but a human.

## Isn't it better to come from apes, than to come from sinners ?

Evolution is almost a Third Testament, because, indirectly, it tells us a great deal about God. In addition to that, the ability of palaeontologists to found out so much from so little is a marvellous achievement - the fact that mere humans are capable of such things is a testimony to the Wisdom of God.

 

[98cwitr]

Someone said men came from apes.....

Well I say men came form God...

so did all other living creatures for that matter.

 

[lismore]

This and other examples in their research did not amount to research at all, but speculation.

Hello

That is my perception as well. Many people really passionately believe evolution, or want to believe in it, but can produce little in the way of proof.

 

[98cwitr]

Hello

That is my perception as well. Many people really passionately believe evolution, or want to believe in it, but can produce little in the way of proof.

Do you find that we share 50% of our DNA pattern with a banana a bit coincidental? How about 99.5% of our DNA with a chimpanzee? How about the linear progression of skull formation between pan genus to the homo genus? Why do babies in the first trimester (weeks 4-5) have a prenatal tail?

Little way of proof? Look deeply into homology and embryology. There's all the "proof" one might need.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46