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No one denies Christians-and many others-are subject to forms of persecution in China and the Taliban areas. That they are under similar risk in America is hyperbole. That they did not themselves persecute NonChristians when they had dominance cannot be denied.
A pastor I once heard on this said that there is more than oneThe only thing either of those verses say about the timing is that it will be at at the last trumpet, which would actually lend credibility to a post-tribulation rapture.
Thank you for your reply.
Hyperbole, eh?
Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists'
One political party has taken office and declared that those who oppose their agenda are "extremists" and "threats".
The writing is on the wall.
You mean like the Bushies did with all the "if you're not with us you're against us" junk?
You have talking heads like Glen Beck and Michelle Malkin advocating rebellion dang straight DHS needs to be monitoring it.
Tim McVeigh was a product of an unpatriotic movement and no telling how many McVeighs this current hate Obama movement will spawn.
A pastor I once heard on this said that there is more than one
series of trumpets listed in scripture.... that most people mistake
the one in Revelation as the trumpet.
But if you continue reading the verses in 1 Thes 4., it ends with this:
17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18Therefore encourage each other with these words.
Maybe somebody can explain to me what's encouraging to
find out that you'll be in hiding, hunted down, in search of
food (you can't buy or sell w/out the mark)
& beheaded for your faith but don't worry, you'll be
raptured eventually if you make it long enough on the run.
Hi HF =)Yeah, Nadine, I wonder the same thing. The more I listen to christians, the more paranoid I seem to become. I don't think that is how God would have us to act. Over and over again in the Bible, people are told by God or angels "Fear not". And yet Christians today lead the world in fear: "The sky is falling, the big bad antichrist has us on the run". I wonder if those attitudes are really healthy?
"ADVOCATING REBELLION"?
Since when is a protest which is a constitutionally protected activity considered REBELLION?
And furthermore, this is AMERICA, not Communist China. We have a right to speak our minds and assemble in protest against tyranny and bad policies.
Why don't you go back to school and learn about how this is a REPUBLIC, by the people, for the people, founded on JUDEO-CHRISTIAN principles. We do not worship the President, BOW to muslim kings, curse our own nation, and claim that Islam shaped America.
...we often are forced to mention the negative becuz so many people refuse to hear or see it; they'de rather drown it out w/ happy things so they don't have to think about anything that
doesn't make them happy. (the Joel Osteen effect) :/
We are bombarded with negativity; secular media, christian media, our own lives and circumstances. If there really is a hell --- be it physical or just spiritual --- would you want to dwell on the idea of actually going there?
Hey it was your last President who wanted surveillance of Americans and you guys gave it to him.
You have a right to "protest" but DHS has a duty to monitor the protests to prevent another OKBOMB.
As to Islam shaping America look up who was running Spain just before Ferdinand and Isabella gave Cristoforo Columbo his government check (it wasn't Christians)...
So God's earth and the gift of life is "hell"?"As a Christian you don't have to believe in hell; but you have to believe you are in hell now." -Rev. Ivan Stang
Are you suggesting that Ferninand and Isabella or Spain or Christopher Colombus shaped America?
None of the early settlers who came to America were MUSLIM.
Having said that, I did a little online search and found that Islam claims to have shaped America because of African slaves shipped here who were muslims.
NOW, I understand why Obama is crediting Islam for shaping America....as slaves! We're back to the Black Liberation theology and the Black Panthers, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam!....all based on the ideology of "evil America" and "America is the great satan".
Obama is a Marxist-radical, muslim sympathizer because he bows to the muslim king, who apparently thinks America is evil and under his leadership, America will indeed change.
Will a 'red' help blacks go green?
Will a 'red' help blacks go green?
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When you look at all his past radical associations, this is no leap
and not shocking to me at all.
We warned people of this.
oh well, God will use Obama to His advantage in prophecy.
That's the only glory there is to this entire administration;
they do God's bidding in taking us into the tribulation.
nice.
what amazed me are how many people were totally blind toYep! That's the way it's turning out to be!
what amazed me are how many people were totally blind to
his associations, or didn't even care...
That wouldn't have flown with Americans 15 yrs ago...
this country has changed so drastically, it's sad.
I'm giving it until the 16th and then I'm letting go of it. That would be 40 days since the urgent warning was issued which has Biblical precedent with Jonah's warning to Ninevah.
David Wilkerson Today: AN URGENT MESSAGE
"AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US."
I definitely see this event in Joel 2, Rev 6, Amos 8, Matt 24, Ezek 38.
I'm not aware of any other "urgent warning" in the Bible that was given longer than 40 days prior to the event.
Noah was given 7 days even though he prepared for decades.
Lot was given a few hours.
Ninevah's urgent warning was for 40 days.
4 On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned." 5 The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
Somehow, I don't think Obama cares that the urgent warning might apply to this nation so as to fast and put on sackcloth and humbly seek the Lord.
So, if the urgent warning is true and Jonah is the precedent, then this week should be interesting. If it is true and there is no Biblical precedent as to time-frame and more than 40 days have passed, then how can the warning be URGENT? If it is not true, then the man has proclaimed something to be from the Lord that will not come to pass, thereby making himself a false prophet.
Bowing to the heads of foreign states is called diplomacy, and its a recognised and fundamental component of internationally recognised ettiquette and protocol. Kings outrank Presidents, so it is appropriate for a President to bow to a king... just as emperors outrank kings, so it is appropriate for a king to bow to an emperor (although there aren't many emperors around these days)"ADVOCATING REBELLION"?
Since when is a protest which is a constitutionally protected activity considered REBELLION?
And furthermore, this is AMERICA, not Communist China. We have a right to speak our minds and assemble in protest against tyranny and bad policies.
Why don't you go back to school and learn about how this is a REPUBLIC, by the people, for the people, founded on JUDEO-CHRISTIAN principles. We do not worship the President, BOW to muslim kings, curse our own nation, and claim that Islam shaped America.
Yeah... because no past president has ever had any associations with any questionable groups or persons.what amazed me are how many people were totally blind to
his associations, or didn't even care...
That wouldn't have flown with Americans 15 yrs ago...
this country has changed so drastically, it's sad.
I'm happy to see you acknowledge the possibility of this guy being a false prophet, and that yopu won't try to goal post shift to allow him to remain "credible" if nothing happens. Really, I'm sincerely pleased.
But OK, so, we'll give it, say 72 hours? Look forward to talking to you then, whatever happens.
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