Some strange thing

[InSpiritInTruth]

The past couple of months I have noticed several posts where some are questioning their faith in God, with some even questioning the mind of the Lord. It is written in Romans 11:34; “For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor?”

I would advise all those who question their faith in God, and even question God’s motives and actions to please read the Word of God in faith, and seek understanding from God alone with a repentant heart, and through fervent prayer.

Jesus spoke of those who would fall away from their faith in this parable in Mark 4:16-17;”And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution arises for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.”

I believe many a misguided soul believes that God is here to serve their own personal needs and desires, and when some strange thing happens in their lives it causes their hearts and minds to question their faith, and even the Lord himself. Did the Lord ever say the Christian way of life in this present evil world is supposed to be all gumdrops and lollipops? I think not!

As a matter of fact the Word of God tells us in this world we shall suffer tribulation. Jesus said in John 16:33; “These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer: I have overcome the world."
And so how do we also overcome the troubles of this present evil world?
1 John 5:4
“For whosoever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.
So without faith in the very Word of God (which is the Me Jesus spoke of) we would not be able to overcome all the evils that would befall us in this present evil world. But is our faith based on what is happening on the outside, which is to say those things visible? Or is our faith based on those invisible things the Lord has promised to us through his Word if we overcome the trappings of this present world?

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Jesus said in John 7:24; “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
Many do not understand that we are the Body of Christ, and we like Christ were meant to take up the cross and come into His sufferings. 1 Peter 2:21; “For even unto this were ye called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps,”


1 Peter 4:1; “For inasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind, for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin,”

Many find it hard to believe that the Lord would allow such pain, affliction, and suffering to happen to his beloved. But what they find even harder to believe is that it pleased the Lord to do so.

Isaiah 53:10-11; “Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He hath put Him to grief. When thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. He shall see of the travail of His soul, and shall be satisfied. By His knowledge shall My righteous Servant justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities.”

This does not mean that God takes pleasure in our pain, but it does show how the Lord our God does know our pain and affliction is necessary to lead us to the greater good.
Think about where we would be if Christ had not suffered, and been afflicted, and put to death for our sins?” We would all still be dead toward God by our sins.
Luke 24:26; “Ought not Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?"


Even as Christ has suffered and died for us, we also must put on the sufferings of Christ, that we also might be partakers in His glory when it shall be revealed in us in due time.
Always be mindful that it is not our will be done, but the Fathers.
And think it not strange when suffering and affliction arises in your life.

1 Peter 4:12; “Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you;”

 

[ThyLovingkindness]

[BIBLE][/BIBLE]Although the Word is spoken here, one might take into account that some struggle more than others. Blessings!

 

[OzSpen]

InSpirit,

The past couple of months I have noticed several posts where some are questioning their faith in God, with some even questioning the mind of the Lord. It is written in Romans 11:34; “For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor?”
I would advise all those who question their faith in God, and even question God’s motives and actions to please read the Word of God in faith, and seek understanding from God alone with a repentant heart, and through fervent prayer.

Sadly, there are many on this Forum who promote their doubts and disagreements with Scripture.

Jude 22 is sound teaching:

And have mercy on those who doubt (ESV).

How can you or I show mercy to the doubters on this Forum? We can:

(1) Pray for them that God will bring the evidence that they need, and maybe that evidence could come through ...

(2) Our providing evidence that will help to deal with the doubt. Sometimes there is exegesis of the Scripture that needs to be done to penetrate the cobwebs of doubt.

(3) All of us have to be serious in our pursuit of biblical truth.

In Christ, Oz

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Although the Word is spoken here, one might take into account that some struggle more than others. Blessings!

It is true that some struggle more than others, just as some are afflicted more than others. I would not say that my afflictions are greater than others, nor should they say theirs is greater than my own.

As a matter of fact often times when I feel troubled or afflicted by the things going on in my life, I often think of those who have suffered far greater struggles than myself, and in doing so the weight of my problems seem to be alot easier to bear.

But no matter what measure ones troubles, afflictions, or temptations may be, the cure for all remains the same. And that is faith in the Word of God.

1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[apocolypticremedy999]

I'm with you here. No matter what people might make out Jesus to be, the Word testfies the truth of him, and who is man to call God a lyer? The Antichrist does and will continue to try to taint Christ's image, and often does try to shame his name and desecrate his character with convincing lies, but the truth stands firm! There will be plenty of times where God will surely test your faith, and doubt will come upon all, believers and non-beleivers, even though it is he himself who sometimes causes some to believe lies, but will your faith remain strong? In these days and in the days to come there will be many tests, many quakes that will shake the foundations you stand on, and things will seem like they're not; just remeber; things are not often what they seem. The elect will not be decieved; therefore these tests will prove who you really are!

 

[Fireinfolding]

The past couple of months I have noticed several posts where some are questioning their faith in God, with some even questioning the mind of the Lord. It is written in Romans 11:34; “For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor?”
I would advise all those who question their faith in God, and even question God’s motives and actions to please read the Word of God in faith, and seek understanding from God alone with a repentant heart, and through fervent prayer.
Jesus spoke of those who would fall away from their faith in this parable in Mark 4:16-17;”And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution arises for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.”
I believe many a misguided soul believes that God is here to serve their own personal needs and desires, and when some strange thing happens in their lives it causes their hearts and minds to question their faith, and even the Lord himself. Did the Lord ever say the Christian way of life in this present evil world is supposed to be all gumdrops and lollipops? I think not!
As a matter of fact the Word of God tells us in this world we shall suffer tribulation. Jesus said in John 16:33; “These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer: I have overcome the world."
And so how do we also overcome the troubles of this present evil world?
1 John 5:4
“For whosoever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.
So without faith in the very Word of God (which is the Me Jesus spoke of) we would not be able to overcome all the evils that would befall us in this present evil world. But is our faith based on what is happening on the outside, which is to say those things visible? Or is our faith based on those invisible things the Lord has promised to us through his Word if we overcome the trappings of this present world?
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Jesus said in John 7:24; “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
Many do not understand that we are the Body of Christ, and we like Christ were meant to take up the cross and come into His sufferings. 1 Peter 2:21; “For even unto this were ye called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps,”




1 Peter 4:1; “For inasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind, for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin,”
Many find it hard to believe that the Lord would allow such pain, affliction, and suffering to happen to his beloved. But what they find even harder to believe is that it pleased the Lord to do so.
Isaiah 53:10-11; “Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He hath put Him to grief. When thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. He shall see of the travail of His soul, and shall be satisfied. By His knowledge shall My righteous Servant justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities.”
This does not mean that God takes pleasure in our pain, but it does show how the Lord our God does know our pain and affliction is necessary to lead us to the greater good.
Think about where we would be if Christ had not suffered, and been afflicted, and put to death for our sins?” We would all still be dead toward God by our sins.
Luke 24:26; “Ought not Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?"


Even as Christ has suffered and died for us, we also must put on the sufferings of Christ, that we also might be partakers in His glory when it shall be revealed in us in due time.
Always be mindful that it is not our will be done, but the Fathers.
And think it not strange when suffering and affliction arises in your life.
1 Peter 4:12; “Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you;”

Missed this one, this is a great post brother, yes I find the same thing is true, tribulation worketh patience and thats something we have need of too as it speaks of in our patience we possess our souls. Theres way too many to post but we are told to arm ourselves with the same mind, which is a good thing otherwise you might be offended by persecution which come by the word, or fall away in the time of temptation, or be moved by them given it speaks of us being appointed thereunto. Christ suffered for us leaving us an example in many ways.

Afliction is spoken of in these two which appear to correspond

Isaiah 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers

1Thes 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:

1Thes 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

1Peter 5:9 the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

2Titus 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

1Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


1Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Phil 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.


Heb 5:9 being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.


Psalm 18:32 It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect.


Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ;

Psalm 34:19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.

2Titus 3:1 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

2Titus 2:3 Thou therefore **endure hardness**, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2Cr 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2Cr 1:5 For as **the sufferings** of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have **persecuted me**, they will also **persecute you**; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of **suffering affliction**, and of patience.

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience

Consider the patience of Job

Phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also **to suffer** for his sake;

Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he **must suffer** for my name's sake


2Cr 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

1Cr 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: **being reviled**, we bless; **being persecuted**, we **suffer it**:

Romans 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, **The reproaches** of them that reproached thee fell on me.

1Peter 4:14 If ye be **reproached** for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

Isaiah 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the ***reproach** of men, neither be ye afraid of **their revilings**.

Oh my... Theres so much more on temptations, trials, sufferings, and others that arent even touched upon here, so no...nothing strange going on

And I just have a mild case of heartburn right now (but nothing a tums wont solve)

God bless you brother

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Amen Fire, and with all this testimony we are given, we should not be surprised by any of our troubles and afflictions, but rather we should try to rejoice in them.

For whom the Lord loves he will also chastise, but our sorrow shall soon be turned into joy.

John 16:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Amen bro Yeah I see it all as a good thing. You bring up another good one, being chastened, gees that can be shown a multitude of ways too. I love searching these things out and affirming them, because it shows how Gods hand is intimately at work in our lives in any of these and that they are working for our good, light and momentary in comparison but for our benefit, and all because He loves us.

Heres a few, I was trying to add others into some older ones to see how they would work out

Prov 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.


Prov 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes

Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes

And because He loves us...

Prov 13:24 He that spareth his rod **hateth** his son but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Paul shows an example between them

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and LIVEEEEEE?

Same principal...as being beaten with stripes

Prov 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall NOT DIEEEEEE.

1Cr 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be CONDEMNEDDDDD with the world

Emphasis mine

Prov 3:1 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be wearyof his correction:


Prov 22: 15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Prov 20:30 The blueness of **a wound** cleanseth away evil: so do stripes **the inward parts** of the belly.

Psalm 38:5 My **wounds** stink and are corrupt because of **my foolishness**.:o

Ecc 2:13 **Then** I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.

1Peter 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer or it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.

Lam 3:39 Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?

Mic 6:9... hear ye the rod, and who hath appointed it.

Prov 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Prov 15:21 The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.
　
Prov 15:10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
　
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
　
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:


Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it,that it may bring forth more fruit.

All very confirming of each other in these things, Praise God he doesnt leave us alone to ourselves otherwise we would all go all our own way.

God bless you brother

 

[Fireinfolding]

I wonder if it can be caught in showing mercy giving chastening is for bearing fruit, one of which is mercy

Christ IS the wisdom of God

Prov 29:15 The rod and reproof ***GIVE wisdom*** but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Prov 13:24 He that **spareth** his rod ***hateth his son*** but ***he that loveth him*** chasteneth him betimes.

Mirrored in Gods dealings with us...

Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you ***as with sons*** for what son is he whom the father ***chasteneth not***?

When we are judged = we are chastened and judgment begins "in" the house of God...

Isaiah 26:9... for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

1Cr 11:32 But when we **are judged** we **are chastened of** the Lord, that we should not be ***condemned with the world***.

"Correction" here is from the same word "rod"

Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.

Because it says...

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment **without mercy**, that hath **shewed no** mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Therefore...

Luke 6:13 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven


Isaiah 28:6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment


Same thing

Prov 3:1 My son, despise not **the chastening of** the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:


Prov 21:7 **The robbery of** the wicked shall destroy them; ((because)) they refuse **TO DO** judgment.

Which is?

Zech 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, ***Execute true*** judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother

Reminds me of the parable of the forgiven servant who become the wicked servant where his Lord said 'shouldest thou not ALSO had compassion AS I had compassion on you"?

It was this one who was handed over to the tormenters, and FEAR hath torment. God imparting a little fear of the Lord in that case. It says he that fears is not perfected in love, and love was not an outworking found in this servant.

Which makes me think of the fear of the Lord is just the BEGINNING OF wisdom (by which we depart from evil) YET perfect love (as we are being perfected in love) CASTS OUT fear because then the love of God constrains one. The beginning of wisdom is not the end all.

Because I see two places, one of a servant (where is MY FEAR?) and of a Son (where is MY HONOR?) Or the one who yet FEARS (not being perfected in love) and the one walking in love (which is the bond of perfection).

Both can be true, like the cup of "trembling" it speaks of, and then once it has been drunken its NO MORE given AGAIN type thing.

Seems like a two fold thing going on there, Paul seems to acknowlege but according to the inworking and outworking of love. Which really, when you are first working out your salvation, the inworking he speaks of (in relation to the same) is work out your own salvation WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.... why? Because it is GOD who worketh IN YOU. That fear and trembling is synomous with GOD WORKING IN YOU.

The outworking is His perfect love casting out fear, but the fear of the LORD is still the BEGINNING OF wisdom... just not the end all.

You can pick these things up in the wording surrounding various things which speak to both workings (from point A to point B) or from first to last, Him being the Author and Finisher of our faith.

Well, to me anyways.

God bless

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Good stuff Fire and very well said, and very well put together, thanks.

It is often the Rod of correction that causes us to lean on the Lord's staff of salvation. For both His Rod and his staff do comfort me.

I rejoice in the Word of Lord spoken in Isaiah.

Isaiah 54:4-8

King James Version (KJV)


4Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. 8In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.


A small moment to the Lord may seem like an eternity to us, just as a little wrath to the Lord may seem extreme in our eyes. But when the Lord promises mercy in the form of everlasting kindness, we should all rejoice in the things that the future holds for all of God's righteous children.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Good stuff Fire and very well said, and very well put together, thanks.

It is often the Rod of correction that causes us to lean on the Lord's staff of salvation. For both His Rod and his staff do comfort me.

I rejoice in the Word of Lord spoken in Isaiah.

Isaiah 54:4-8

King James Version (KJV)


4Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. 8In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.


A small moment to the Lord may seem like an eternity to us, just as a little wrath to the Lord may seem extreme in our eyes. But when the Lord promises mercy in the form of everlasting kindness, we should all rejoice in the things that the future holds for all of God's righteous children.

Oh my goodness WHERE'D He go? I know what you mean in that. I dont care what anyone says, when he hides his face (even His presence) is distressing. Because he is just not with you in a mental affirmation that He is, He is because HE IS and as Moses said, if your presence dont go with me dont send me anywheres I could live in a hole in the ground if the Lord follows me there (I mean really, behoding cave walls are no distraction to His presence lol)

Yes a moment can seeem like an eternity for sure. The hiding His face can be done against a nation or a man only.

Job 34:29 When he giveth quietness, who then can make trouble? and when he hideth his face, who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only:

And we can even see the same in Christ

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Isaiah 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

Isaiah 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

By the end of three hours...

Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

Mar 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

Land darkened through....

Isaiah 9:19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened


Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

His words (as He is) are incredible on so many levels, There is none wiser the He in all His doings, Our God rocks! Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who spared not His only Son for us that we by Him might draw near to God and be conformed into the image of His blessed Son.


God bless you brother

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heres a few more...

Heb 5:8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;


1Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;


Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.


Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.


1Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.


1Peter 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

That last one we dont hear alot on

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Oh my goodness WHERE'D He go? I know what you mean in that. I dont care what anyone says, when he hides his face (even His presence) is distressing. Because he is just not with you in a mental affirmation that He is, He is because HE IS and as Moses said, if your presence dont go with me dont send me anywheres I could live in a hole in the ground if the Lord follows me there (I mean really, behoding cave walls are no distraction to His presence lol)

Yes a moment can seeem like an eternity for sure. The hiding His face can be done against a nation or a man only.

Job 34:29 When he giveth quietness, who then can make trouble? and when he hideth his face, who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only:

And we can even see the same in Christ

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Isaiah 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

Isaiah 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

By the end of three hours...

Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

Mar 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

Land darkened through....

Isaiah 9:19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened


Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

His words (as He is) are incredible on so many levels, There is none wiser the He in all His doings, Our God rocks! Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who spared not His only Son for us that we by Him might draw near to God and be conformed into the image of His blessed Son.


God bless you brother

Amen Sis, the Lord showed us the darkness was coming, so it should not be a surprise to us. Just as the Body of Christ was in the darkness of the earth for three days, and just as Jonah was also in the darkness of the belly of the sea beast for three days.

But as we were determined to endure a dark period, we are also determined to see the light.

Isaiah 59:9
Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.


Isaiah 60:2
For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

 

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I know being "reserved unto" judgment is spoken of and under darkness as it pertains likewise unto the angels too. "We looked for judgment".

2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

First estate and habitation is interesting too,

Psalm 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

And speaks of ones first estate, and of estate likewise of ones low estate, and we know pride, which is the devils condemnation. But his habitation is also one of judgment as well, and these say (in the verse you pointed out) Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness. So as being delivered under that darkness.

Same is shown here...

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you


He that walketh in darkness doesnt know where he is going, the darkness is blinded his eyes. Though he who loveth not his brother is in darkness. The light of life is also as walking in love. Just as we are to walk in light we are to walk in love

1John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

John 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

1John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

Darkness and death are used interchangeably after the same truth

1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

So we know we have passed from one place (death) unto life as evidenced by our love for the brethren, yet in the same way he that evidences no love (but loveth not his brethren) abides still in death. An inward condition of their heart, or as the darkness blinding their mind or the eyes of their heart.

Lots in this in various ways, God bless you InSpiritInTruth

 

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So true Fire, it speaks of a spiritual resurrection of the heart and mind, or the inward man; which is to putting to death the old carnally minded man, and being born a new creature in Christ by way of the Holy Spirit.

John 5:25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

I've been accused of blasphemy by my own family for preaching that one. Not many can see, hear, or understand the spiritual meaning in those words my spiritual sister.

 

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Paul uses the same, besides even Paul speaks of our being "dead in sins" just as in

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Likewise...the dead as here...

Ephes 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

If so be ye have heard him, here...

Ephes 4:12 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Same as with hearing His voice is in the To day

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Same thing, as we were deads in our sins He quickens us

Some folks call things blasphemous that arent, the ministration of the Spirit and life in Christ where we arise from the dead and walk in newness in the likeness of His resurrection, by faith in the power of God which effectively works in them which believe.

I think folks need just a little at a time in something, by which one is saying something. I know I did when I was younger in the Lord, and sometimes too much isnt a good thing, like let them roll it around a little bit. That happened to me with an old freind and me, he kept pushing too much on me, when I have always been used to learning pretty much by myself and seeking the Lord for things. And he come at me like a bull and cut my ear off to anything he had to say. Sometimes you can only receive so much at one time. I might keep something in the back of my mind and wont say till its clearer to me. But I'll tell you thats why Im sorta weird about touching on certain topics, or telling certain things openly because I know how I could be. So its like a do unto others thing with me.

Just might give them a verse or two, and say it this way... "these are kool verses" (thats all I will say) so as not to corner a person (to get them defensive or feel the need to jump back or at me for them). That seems to work for me. So just, "heres some interesting verses (and none of my own contemplations on them).

Folks dont get as defensive with them as much then.

You blaspheming over there?

Heh heh just kidding bro

 

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Paul uses the same, besides even Paul speaks of our being "dead in sins" just as in

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Likewise...the dead as here...

Ephes 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

If so be ye have heard him, here...

Ephes 4:12 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Same as with hearing His voice is in the To day

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Same thing, as we were deads in our sins He quickens us

Some folks call things blasphemous that arent, the ministration of the Spirit and life in Christ where we arise from the dead and walk in newness in the likeness of His resurrection, by faith in the power of God which effectively works in them which believe.

I think folks need just a little at a time in something, by which one is saying something. I know I did when I was younger in the Lord, and sometimes too much isnt a good thing, like let them roll it around a little bit. That happened to me with an old freind and me, he kept pushing too much on me, when I have always been used to learning pretty much by myself and seeking the Lord for things. And he come at me like a bull and cut my ear off to anything he had to say. Sometimes you can only receive so much at one time. I might keep something in the back of my mind and wont say till its clearer to me. But I'll tell you thats why Im sorta weird about touching on certain topics, or telling certain things openly because I know how I could be. So its like a do unto others thing with me.

Just might give them a verse or two, and say it this way... "these are kool verses" (thats all I will say) so as not to corner a person (to get them defensive or feel the need to jump back or at me for them). That seems to work for me. So just, "heres some interesting verses (and none of my own contemplations on them).

Folks dont get as defensive with them as much then.

You blaspheming over there?

Heh heh just kidding bro

I'm not afraid of speaking the Truth as I believe I have been shown, but I also try to be patient with others. There was a time when I was younger that I used to get all fired up, and be like a bull in a china shop.

But I'm alot more mello now, and people can think what they want, and believe what they want. I'll just speak the Word in faith, and let the chips fall where they may. I used to let what other people thought of me, and said about me bother me, but thats not important.

Whats important is doing the will of God, and walking in the way he has called us to walk. It is a hard line to walk between pleasing God, and pleasing men; but I've decided to please God first, and then men.

Gotta go and fix some vittles now. Talk to ya later Sis.

 

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However your led, enjoy dinner, catch cha later gator