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Rather than seeing stars as evolved I see them as created. All the universe moving is like a giant machine made for our benefit. Looking at the vastness of this universe we realize the power of God. Realizing a new heavens will appear suddenly for us also. We are anything but insignificant. The stars were made for time one earth and man.
So I am not looking at the same universe you are, one full of happenstance, that started at some big bang, that will end we know not how or when, with stars that evolved rather than are made by God for us...etc etc. Your universe as far as I am concerned is fantasy.So what?
Got anything more than denial that clearly made gears that are locked in sync sitting in a back yard are deliberatly designed?
We've had this discussion before. Photos of fake "UFOs" were typically made using common objects like hubcaps, lamp shades, etc.
so according to you these may not be the product of design?:
Not from that picture. That "UFO," if it is not a fake, might be an intentionally manufactured machine, but it could be a living creature or some other natural phenomenon.i said that its an authentic object for the sake of the argument. it means that its a real flying non-human ufo. can you conclude design or not?
So I am not looking at the same universe you are, one full of happenstance, that started at some big bang, that will end we know not how or when, with stars that evolved rather than are made by God for us...etc etc. Your universe as far as I am concerned is fantasy.
i said that its an authentic object for the sake of the argument. it means that its a real flying non-human ufo. can you conclude design or not?
There is nothing wrong logically with realizing that obviously designed mechanical units- and even in sync together, are made by someone. It would be crazy and illogical to think they just appeared or grew out of the grass or whatever!Wow, you must really like committing that logical fallacy.
All me should care whether the universe was made for them, and God plans eternal life for us.Again, so what?
You haven't explained why anyone should care.
The truth of the matter is that Xianghua does not really care that much about ID as an explanation for the diversity of life. Like all IDists, he is only trying to disprove evolution so he can shove biblical creationism up our noses.
Every so often a reference to biblical creationism will slip in, although it's clear that he is working very hard to avoid the religion issue.The weird thing is that he doesn't actually advocate for any form of creationism. At least other creationists will spam Bible quotes and the like. Whereas xianghua only ever seems to argue against evolution for the sake of being a contrarian.
Every so often a reference to biblical creationism will slip in, although it's clear that he is working very hard to avoid the religion issue.
Haredi (ultra-orthodox) Jews are biblical creationists.xianghua is Jewish, so he doesn't really fit in with the other creationists around here. It makes me wonder if there's a Jewish creationist group hanging around someplace.
Pretend it's a robot penguin. Now tell us how you came to that conclusion.i said that its an authentic object for the sake of the argument. it means that its a real flying non-human ufo. can you conclude design or not?
The benefit of being better able to properly explore creation only comes from knowing it was created and the creator.These beliefs have nothing to do with "exploring creation" though.
The benefit of being better able to properly explore creation only comes from knowing it was created and the creator.
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