Some Advice Please

[tripperlove]

Practicing pagan, I’ve been going to a Christian prayer group once a week for over a month or so. I'm discrete about my faith to these people. My mother is a shaman, I grew up and was allowed to learn and discover many other faith base groups. I've read not only the king James version but also many other old text including different beliefs such as Buddha, Hinduism etc. So this isn't my first time with a faith base group.

Unfortunately people of this group I've been going to have been coming up to me asking answers portraying to the bible. The minister, or leaders of this group are not very good in giving a probable answer to what some of the scripture in the bible are portraying, or maybe they just don't want to I don't know and it's not my business. So I try to give them, the ones that come to me answers in the boundaries of the text.

This bothers me some, I am trying to stay as remotely reserved each grouping. But this isn't why I am writing, I have this married woman that is much older then me, coming on to me in the group. I'm 25, she's 37. She has 2 teenage boys and a husband.

She wants to know me a lot more than the others in the group.

She’s always talking to me.

She's always around me, sometimes when I think I'm alone getting coffee from the machine I turn around and she's right there wanting to talk to me.

Each time she says hello to me I can tell by the excitement in her voice out of other members she says hello too.

Yesterday I snuffed her, walking away in mid conversation. The way I was raised I have no problem getting into a relationship with a married woman though I am thinking for her and her family sake.

I'm not going to extreme here and talk to her about it. A big part of me wants to see how this plays out but any advice dealing with this may be taken.

Tripperlove,

I first put this in the Non-Christian Religion channel. After reading some of the posts there I did not see it as appropriate for my question nor did I know how to delete the post perhaps the mods could thank you.

 

[talitha]

Why are you attending this group?

 

[ephraimanesti]

I'm not going to extreme here and talk to her about it. A big part of me wants to see how this plays out but any advice dealing with this may be taken.

MY FRIEND, Unless you are tired of being a "pagan" and have become thirsty for the Truth that only our Lord Jesus can provide, then your very presence in that Group under false pretenses is a dangerous lie and you should remove yourself from the group as quickly as possible. How this charade of yours will "play out" could well lead others astray through your bogus "explanations" of Biblical passages and also destroy the marriage of the person who, for whatever reason, has become fixated on you, and it would behoove you to cease and desist in playing games with other peoples' lives.

A BOND-SLAVE/FRIEND/BROTHER OF OUR LORD/GOD/SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[tripperlove]

Why are you attending this group?

I attend these groups ever so often, when I have some time off from work, or when work is slow. I have a vast interest in multi-cultural religious groups and faith to gather my ultimate goal of true spiritual enlightenment.

I'm on my own path if you want to say.

To the other user, I'm not going to answer your response because I think you're acting irrational and I don’t feel like getting into a pointless debate with you.

 

[FrederickM]

What needed to be said has been said, whether you follow it or not is your choice. Though however, I would always encourage people to learn about God regardless of original intentions.

 

[talitha]

Truth be told, I agree with ephraimanesti, even though the manner in which he phrased his response was not, hmm, agreeable.

You must understand, Christian prayer groups exist for one purpose, and that is to unanimously lift up in the air and in the spiritual realm the name and the cause of Jesus; the cause is that the earth be filled with the glory of Yahweh, as the waters cover the seas. There is no room or following our own path within Christianity; it's all about following the path of Jesus. That said, the fact that you are "discrete"ly attending one of these groups is not only odd, but in my personal view an act of war, whether or not you intend it that way.

I think it is dishonest of you not to explain your frame of thinking to people who come to you with questions. You are in no position to discern whether the answers given by the leaders of the group are "very good" or not, as you are under the influence of different spirits. You could give an outsider's perspective, which could be helpful, if it is known that that is what you're giving, you following me?

Are you certain that this woman who you say is "coming on" to you isnt just interested in your spiritual well-being? If she is in tune with the spirit, she quite possibly is aware that you are not what you appear to be, and her desire could be to win you over spiritually.

I'm really glad you are thinking for this woman's and her family's sake. You really don't want to help her get off of the spiritual path she has chosen, do you?

I beleive you really should make your reasons for being in this group clear, and that you should leave completely if it becomes clear that this woman is being driven by some kind of attraction toward you in the natural sense......

blessings on you in Jesus
tal

 

[tripperlove]

Truth be told, I agree with ephraimanesti, even though the manner in which he phrased his response was not, hmm, agreeable.

You must understand, Christian prayer groups exist for one purpose, and that is to unanimously lift up in the air and in the spiritual realm the name and the cause of Jesus; the cause is that the earth be filled with the glory of Yahweh, as the waters cover the seas. There is no room or following our own path within Christianity; it's all about following the path of Jesus. That said, the fact that you are "discrete"ly attending one of these groups is not only odd, but in my personal view an act of war, whether or not you intend it that way.

I think it is dishonest of you not to explain your frame of thinking to people who come to you with questions. You are in no position to discern whether the answers given by the leaders of the group are "very good" or not, as you are under the influence of different spirits. You could give an outsider's perspective, which could be helpful, if it is known that that is what you're giving, you following me?

Are you certain that this woman who you say is "coming on" to you isnt just interested in your spiritual well-being? If she is in tune with the spirit, she quite possibly is aware that you are not what you appear to be, and her desire could be to win you over spiritually.

I'm really glad you are thinking for this woman's and her family's sake. You really don't want to help her get off of the spiritual path she has chosen, do you?

I beleive you really should make your reasons for being in this group clear, and that you should leave completely if it becomes clear that this woman is being driven by some kind of attraction toward you in the natural sense......

blessings on you in Jesus
tal

I don't come out about myself to the group because through experience from pass groups when I first started I have had bad experiences. Since all they want to talk about is converting me in some sort of commentary I wish to stay in secret and do not want to make a spectacle of myself neither.

Unfortunately many of the people on this forum that have responded to my thread need to take a good long look at them selves such has asking for forgiveness for their own self worth before casting the first stone.

I'll do what I wish and what I will, it's a big majority of self righteous Christians that don't even read their own text that give this religion a bad name.

 

[talitha]

I don't come out about myself to the group because through experience from pass groups when I first started I have had bad experiences. Since all they want to talk about is converting me in some sort of commentary I wish to stay in secret and do not want to make a spectacle of myself neither.

You must understand if you have read the Bible that we are commanded to "preach the gospel to every creature", and that we believe Jesus came because it is not God's will for any to perish, and that includes you, of course.... and that we believe you need to accept Jesus as the only way in order to not perish....

Unfortunately many of the people on this forum that have responded to my thread need to take a good long look at them selves such has asking for forgiveness for their own self worth before casting the first stone.

Well, first of all, I don't know where you're getting "many", as only two of us have responded as far as I can tell, in the Christian area (and btw I agree with the person who responded in the NCR section as well....) And I don't know why I would need to ask forgiveness for my self-worth?? Lastly - I am not casting a stone - a life-preserver, maybe, but not a stone......

I'll do what I wish and what I will, it's a big majority of self righteous Christians that don't even read their own text that give this religion a bad name.

Of course you will do what you will, but you asked for advice, so......

bless you
tal

 

[seashale76]

Unfortunately people of this group I've been going to have been coming up to me asking answers portraying to the bible. The minister, or leaders of this group are not very good in giving a probable answer to what some of the scripture in the bible are portraying, or maybe they just don't want to I don't know and it's not my business. So I try to give them, the ones that come to me answers in the boundaries of the text.

Well, it does seem, in this context, that your answers would be as good as theirs. They take the scriptures and ascribe whatever meanings that feels right to them, eh? This isn't correct, but it is common. If you don't like it and it makes you uncomfortable (and I don't blame you there), find a different bible study group or church to attend. You are more than welcome to come and see the services at any Orthodox Church. There is never any pressure to convert.

Regarding the woman in the group who you think is coming on to you: Are you sure she isn't simply thinking you'd click as friends? Not everyone out there who is enthusiastically friendly wants a physical relationship.

 

[ephraimanesti]

I don't come out about myself to the group because through experience from pass groups when I first started I have had bad experiences.

MY DEAR BROTHER,
i strongly suspect that these "bad experiences" consist of unexpectantly being told the Truth and not liking what you hear. However, we serve a God who IS TRUTH--"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life"(John 14:6)--and He demands that we speak that Truth loudly and clearly--"Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction."II Tim 4:2). This has been done--at your request, no less--and yet you complain and are scandalized. What's up with that?

A good rule of thumb is "If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question."

Since all they want to talk about is converting me in some sort of commentary I wish to stay in secret and do not want to make a spectacle of myself neither.

If you are not interested in the Truth and have no desire to be set free from your present bondage, why are you wasting your time on something in which you have no interest? Life is too short to be playing games--especially games as dangerous and eternally significant as the one in which you are engaged!

Unfortunately many of the people on this forum that have responded to my thread need to take a good long look at them selves such has asking for forgiveness for their own self worth before casting the first stone.

Telling you the Truth is NOT casting a stone! You are NOT being attacked or criticised out of hatred or judgmentalism, but rather people who care are attempting--without success, it seems--to get your attention by shining God's light into the darkness in which you are trapped. A loving concern is being expressed towards you and your situation, and the fact that this causes you anger and triggers within you defensiveness and the need to counter-attack indicates the Truth of what has been shared with you.

I'll do what I wish and what I will,

Unfortunately, this is obviously true! May God grant that your eyes be opened so as to be enabled to make better choices in the future that you are making in the present.

it's a big majority of self righteous Christians that don't even read their own text that give this religion a bad name.

Christianity only has a "bad name" among those who don't understanding it, are fleeing the Truth, and are hiding from God's Light. Does this perhaps describe you in some way?

A BOND-SLAVE/FRIEND/BROTHER OF OUR LORD/GOD/SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[tripperlove]

MY DEAR BROTHER,
i strongly suspect that these "bad experiences" consist of unexpectantly being told the Truth and not liking what you hear. However, we serve a God who IS TRUTH--"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life"(John 14:6)--and He demands that we speak that Truth loudly and clearly--"Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction."II Tim 4:2). This has been done--at your request, no less--and yet you complain and are scandalized. What's up with that?

A good rule of thumb is "If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question."


If you are not interested in the Truth and have no desire to be set free from your present bondage, why are you wasting your time on something in which you have no interest? Life is too short to be playing games--especially games as dangerous and eternally significant as the one in which you are engaged!


Telling you the Truth is NOT casting a stone! You are NOT being attacked or criticised out of hatred or judgmentalism, but rather people who care are attempting--without success, it seems--to get your attention by shining God's light into the darkness in which you are trapped. A loving concern is being expressed towards you and your situation, and the fact that this causes you anger and triggers within you defensiveness and the need to counter-attack indicates the Truth of what has been shared with you.


Unfortunately, this is obviously true! May God grant that your eyes be opened so as to be enabled to make better choices in the future that you are making in the present.


Christianity only has a "bad name" among those who don't understanding it, are fleeing the Truth, and are hiding from God's Light. Does this perhaps describe you in some way?

A BOND-SLAVE/FRIEND/BROTHER OF OUR LORD/GOD/SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST,
ephraim

Jesus said to pray behind close doors and not to publicate your restoration onto the streets or in this case in public message boards.

Jesus also said you shouldn't try to do good by expecting something in return such as self righteousness for participating in the deed but to do good things for goodness sake and the lord will bless you in his own way.

Obviously what I see in you is some sort of pay back agreement for your charity workings among the lord. Perhaps that might get you in your version of heaven but you won't be looked highly among the saints.

You might be right about Christianity only having a "bad name" among those who don't understand it. You should start reading your own fabrication more often.

I will be going to the prayer group this week and I will continue to talk to her.


Thanks for the advice, but it won't be needed

 

[andreha]

Practicing pagan, I’ve been going to a Christian prayer group once a week for over a month or so. I'm discrete about my faith to these people. My mother is a shaman, I grew up and was allowed to learn and discover many other faith base groups. I've read not only the king James version but also many other old text including different beliefs such as Buddha, Hinduism etc. So this isn't my first time with a faith base group.

Unfortunately people of this group I've been going to have been coming up to me asking answers portraying to the bible. The minister, or leaders of this group are not very good in giving a probable answer to what some of the scripture in the bible are portraying, or maybe they just don't want to I don't know and it's not my business. So I try to give them, the ones that come to me answers in the boundaries of the text.

This bothers me some, I am trying to stay as remotely reserved each grouping. But this isn't why I am writing, I have this married woman that is much older then me, coming on to me in the group. I'm 25, she's 37. She has 2 teenage boys and a husband.

She wants to know me a lot more than the others in the group.

She’s always talking to me.

She's always around me, sometimes when I think I'm alone getting coffee from the machine I turn around and she's right there wanting to talk to me.

Each time she says hello to me I can tell by the excitement in her voice out of other members she says hello too.

Yesterday I snuffed her, walking away in mid conversation. The way I was raised I have no problem getting into a relationship with a married woman though I am thinking for her and her family sake.

I'm not going to extreme here and talk to her about it. A big part of me wants to see how this plays out but any advice dealing with this may be taken.

Tripperlove,

I first put this in the Non-Christian Religion channel. After reading some of the posts there I did not see it as appropriate for my question nor did I know how to delete the post perhaps the mods could thank you.

Hi there

If you attended our prayer group at work, and I knew you were a practicing pagan, I'd still welcome you. Here's why. I sense that in the spirit, you are drawn there. The Christians are probably pushing you to change. Let them show you that they can love you unconditionally first, then stuff will start to happen. I really feel the best way would be to welcome you, and give you time and space to be inspired. Unfortunately, too many Christians hurl bibles at searching individuals, scaring them off. The whole idea behind Christianity is to love fellow humans, first and foremost. We have to be patient, and allow the Spirit of God to work in you, at the pace He chooses. I hope I don't sound like a rambling lunatic, but God does talk to me a lot. Feel free to PM me, if you'd like to discuss anything. I won't ever pressurize you into anything, that's a promise. And, if you like, I'll give you examples of supernatural stuff I've encountered as a Christian.

 

[ephraimanesti]

I will be going to the prayer group this week and I will continue to talk to her.


Thanks for the advice, but it won't be needed

Well, my friend, may our Gracious and Loving Lord protect her and have mercy upon you.

ephraim