Sola Scripturists guide on the authority of the Bible

[MrPolo]

Any council that agrees with the 27 books of the NT I agree with.

We are still at a loss as to why you would agree with those unidentified council's findings on the NT but not the OT or any other doctrinal issue any given council addressed. Is the council guided by the Spirit? On what grounds do you determine where the Spirit intervened and when the Spirit didn't? Or of the Spirit did not intervene in the council then why do you trust the 27 book NT they handed on? It seems your final authority, as you pick and choose what parts of what councils are correct, is yourself (or whoever handed you your Bible) which I see you confirmed in post 158.

 

[OpenDoor]

We are still at a loss as to why you would agree with those unidentified council's findings on the NT but not the OT or any other doctrinal issue any given council addressed. Is the council guided by the Spirit? On what grounds do you determine where the Spirit intervened and when the Spirit didn't? Or of the Spirit did not intervene in the council then why do you trust the 27 book NT they handed on? It seems your final authority, as you pick and choose what parts of what councils are correct, is yourself (or whoever handed you your Bible).

The people are guided by the Spirit not the council! I think we are looking at the same world from two completely different perspectives. This is probably why one seems so alien to the other.

 

[OpenDoor]

We are still at a loss as to why you would agree with those unidentified council's findings on the NT but not the OT or any other doctrinal issue any given council addressed. Is the council guided by the Spirit? On what grounds do you determine where the Spirit intervened and when the Spirit didn't? Or of the Spirit did not intervene in the council then why do you trust the 27 book NT they handed on? It seems your final authority, as you pick and choose what parts of what councils are correct, is yourself (or whoever handed you your Bible) which I see you confirmed in post 158.

I just want you to understand that this line of thinking can be used by the LDS church as to why I should accept the book of Mormon.

I am not a Mormon, I will not believe in Mormon teachings. If I ever do then (at that time) I would be a Mormon.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

I added to the original post. Hopefully that will help.

Yes, it does a bit. I do not see these councils as magical either, but as truths that were proclaimed by the Holy Spirit through the Church and embraced by the Church at large.

If the Church as a whole accepted these teachings at one period (e.g. the first 7 ecumenical councils), on what basis do we have to reject them now though? This seems to deny that the Holy Spirit was active and working through the Church at one point, and how could He not be, unless "the gates of hell overcame the church", which we are promised will never happen?

 

[OpenDoor]

Yes, it does a bit. I do not see these councils as magical either, but as truths that were proclaimed by the Holy Spirit through the Church and embraced by the Church at large.

If the Church as a whole accepted these teachings at one period (e.g. the first 7 ecumenical councils), on what basis do we have to reject them now though? This seems to deny that the Holy Spirit was active and working through the Church at one point, and how could He not be, unless "the gates of hell overcame the church", which we are promised will never happen?

Because you only view the Church as the EO, just like others only view the Church as the OO, and others still the RC.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Because you only view the Church as the EO, just like others only view the Church as the OO, and others still the RC.

With the exception of the OO, the EO and the RC agreed on the first 7 councils, however. That was mainly my point.

Even though OO doesn't follow the 7 councils, there teachings are very similar to EO. IMO, the differences between the two mostly lie in semantics and wording of doctrine.

 

[Montalban]

The people are guided by the Spirit not the council! I think we are looking at the same world from two completely different perspectives. This is probably why one seems so alien to the other.

Which is a continuation of circular logic. How do you know that they're guided by the Spirit?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

The people are guided by the Spirit not the council! I think we are looking at the same world from two completely different perspectives. This is probably why one seems so alien to the other.

The councils were made up of people, who were part of the apostolic catholic church (as defined by the creed), which was guided by the Spirit. Do you agree with this?

 

[Montalban]

I had a bet with how many times the word "norming" would appear.

I think I win

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

I had a bet with how many times the word "norming" would appear.

I think I win

I have a bet on how many times "submission" "authority" power" and the name of denominations will appear....



.

 

[Montalban]

I have a bet on how many times "submission" "authority" power" and the name of denominations will appear....

Terms used by Paul and the Apostles?

 

[OpenDoor]

The councils were made up of people, who were part of the apostolic catholic church (as defined by the creed), which was guided by the Spirit. Do you agree with this?

Great point
Just like a mile is run in feet, councils are made of people.

However, it is important to remember that it is the people that vote not the council. The Holy Spirit would be guiding the council only because their are Christians in the council. Would you agree that a council without Christians would not have the Holy Spirit? (acknowledging of cource that the Holy Spirit is God and God is everywhere)

Now you might then say, "wouldn't that mean that all councils are true?"

Councils are true (that is completely true) when God reveals truth to His people and His people will then recognize it as such (an ecumenical council).

 

[Montalban]

Odd that God only works with Councils

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Great point
Just like a mile is run in feet, councils are made of people.

However, it is important to remember that it is the people that vote not the council. The Holy Spirit would be guiding the council only because their are Christians in the council. Would you agree that a council without Christians would not have the Holy Spirit? (acknowledging of cource that the Holy Spirit is God and God is everywhere)

Now you might then say, "wouldn't that mean that all councils are true?"

Councils are true (that is completely true) when God reveals truth to His people and His people will then recognize it as such (an ecumenical council).

I really don't have any problem with what you said here.

 

[Montalban]

I really don't have any problem with what you said here.

It's funny though that these same Councils defended tradition!

 

[sunlover1]

Odd that God only works with Councils

And it would be odd.
But it's not true.

Goodnight

 

[Montalban]

And it would be odd.
But it's not true.

Your side is the one saying that God only worked with the church once to convey the truth of a particular collection of books as the canon as opposed to previous collections.

 

[ivebeenshown]

From Wikipedia:
A tradition is a ritual, belief or object passed down within a society, still maintained in the present, with origins in the past.

The protestant canon can be classified as a 'tradition', but where is this tradition found in scripture?

 

[OpenDoor]

Odd that God only works with Councils

While I realize that I was focusing on councils (for my last several post) I was not trying to suggest that God only comunicates to His people via councils.

 

[OpenDoor]

Your side is the one saying that God only worked with the church once to convey the truth of a particular collection of books as the canon as opposed to previous collections.

I would like it if we were on the same side.