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Sola Scripturists guide on the authority of the Bible

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From Ortho suggesting that we should follow the Qur'an and Shariah, since there is no way of determining what is Scripture from sola scriptura, and CJ going on to tell him that he's catching on.
 
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Josephus makes the comment that the OT scripture was closed about the time of Ezra because there was no valid line of prophets. He says there are other books, but they're not accepted as scripture per se. (This is similar to what the church says, there are accepted books and books used like CLement, but not accepted as scripture.)

C175 Melito travels to Jerusalem? to compile a list of OT scripture. IIRC his list is identical to what P uses.

IOW, both of those sources agree on what was considered scripture at the time. Later, however, to bolster various traditions, the other non-scripture books were included. Later still, P tossed them and reverted to the original OT scripture.

That's my understanding. Then it also ties to what Jesus said about the prophets' blood of Abel to Zacharias (if we use the same order of OT books in use at the time). And it ties to the first and last apostles to die. Those are the 4 bookends. Two betweeen the OT and 2 between the NT. Those are the scripture handed down as divine.
 
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I see, so the rule of scripture explicitly specifies "Christian" scriptures, then?

Yes, Christians embrace Christian Scripture.

IF you are practicing the Rule of Law in Arizona, you would be embracing Arizona law - quite obviously. As I noted in my post, clearly Luther and Calvin intend for the Christian Scriptures to be the norm, not the Bhagavad-Gita.





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And yet Islam purports itself to be a further revelation of Christian truths. How do you determine that they are not, and that Muhammad is a false prophet?

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A step of faith at some point .
 
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And yet Islam purports itself to be a further revelation of Christian truths. How do you determine that they are not, and that Muhammad is a false prophet?


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If you have to ask then you need study.

Hint: Not by "T'radition.
 
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Ok then, well if we have this rule of scripture which is to be used for deciding doctrine, it begs the question; what scripture does this rule consist of, and how do we decide?
 
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Yes, Christians embrace Christian Scripture.
Even the demons fear and tremble
IF you are practicing the Rule of Law in Arizona, you would be embracing Arizona law - quite obviously. As I noted in my post, clearly Luther and Calvin intend for the Christian Scriptures to be the norm, not the Bhagavad-Gita.
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I addressed your Arizona analogy before. The reason why two people in Arizona obey the laws of Arizona are important.

However what you seem to be doing here though is bringing us down to a truism. If that's the summation of your beliefs then so be it.

You just take something as the norming, because you do.
 
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You think you're being silly but you MIGHT just be starting to understand...

Of course, when CHRISTIANS embrace Scripture, we DO mean the Christian Scriptures - that would be the object. But yes, as a PRACTICE, it is the EMBRACE of Scripture.-snip-
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Which Christians? Which scripture?
 
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Okay, thank you, and if this thread was about arbitration, we could discuss if what he quoted supported his position - but that discussion would be derailing and is not permitted. Start a thread on arbitration if it matters to you...
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You've confused two points.

I don't think the Bible supports Arianism. If I did, I'd take a serious look at Arianism.

And I'm sure you don't think it does either.

But that's not the point.

The point is StandingUp's novel theory of events based as it is on his say-so

The questions was can the Bible be used by Arians, yes it can. And it was.

Scripture gave them support.

What lead them to fail was that the church, not just relying on scripture understood it by the guidence of tradition.

Basically I met his challenge to show proofs.
 
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I am aware of your novel theory
 
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Not only have you not answered the question, you're appealing to circular logic too.

Pretty neat trick!

Did you read my post this time?
 
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Already gone over this mistake countless times before.

Two competing claims does not mean that both are wrong, or that neither are right.

That we're two distinct churches has nothing to do with the internal divisions you have in your invisible church.
 
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Nor pastors, nor reverends, nor preacher, nor...etc.
 
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Did you read my post this time?

I guess you don't have a response that actually addresses what I wrote?

Perhaps I should have gone over this in more detail because I didn't realise you wouldn't notice the circular logic.

That you and I agree that Moslems are wrong does not mean that they don't use scripture to believe it backs up their ideas.

Even the demons believe and tremble.

The Dalai Lama also 'believes' in the Bible too.
 
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