Are you suggesting God has authored documents outside the Bible, then? Since the documentation of what compromises the canonical books is outside the Bible.
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Are you suggesting God has authored documents outside the Bible, then? Since the documentation of what compromises the canonical books is outside the Bible.No. Not exactly. While the ink on the page was put forth by men, it's true author is God.
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https://orthodoxwiki.org/Holy_TraditionI will ask other Orthodox here if this is true teaching of Orthodoxy. Because IMHO this is some really screwed up beliefs and from what I know of the Orthodox, admittedly very limited, this is way off base.
Scripture can exist without the canon in the same way your body could exist without DNA. The Canon is the DNA that defines what is the Scripture. If the DNA is different, then the body will be different. Even a small 1% change in DNA can change an entire organism into a completely different SPECIES. The Canon is the DNA that says "this is Scripture". Well, to be more accurate, the Canon functions as the proteins that identify the parts of the body as being Scripture to other parts of the body and outsiders.Canon is not over scripture; scripture would still exist even without canon.
Please be careful about who you call liars.....
All you're talking about is a council's decision to recognize the books of the Bible. Those men didn't write any of them, you know, nor are any of the "documents" associated with these councils considered to be the word of God or divine revelation or anything of the sort.Are you suggesting God has authored documents outside the Bible, then? Since the documentation of what compromises the canonical books is outside the Bible.
If you consider "traditional churches" to be Orthodox I believe your entire statement could be flipped around....That traditional churches have lied to themselves and Protestants have put things back on track......The difference between traditional churches and Protestants is that the former are honest with themselves about it while the latter lie to themselves about it.
The Bible doesn't proscribe polygamous marriage.Perhaps at this point you should tell us, as an advocate of Holy Tradition, what you find lacking in the Bible.
Are you suggesting God has authored documents outside the Bible, then? Since the documentation of what compromises the canonical books is outside the Bible.
Then how do you consider their choice of canon valid? The choice, as per your own words, is purely from man, not God.All you're talking about is a council's decision to recognize the books of the Bible. Those men didn't write any of them, you know, nor are any of the "documents" associated with these councils considered to be the word of God or divine revelation or anything of the sort.
Ok, then since the names of the gospels and the identification of all the books of apostolic origin was done by men, let's assume the Table of Contents is full of lies, 66 lies in your Bible on that one page. Since it was MEN who declared them Scripture (Christ didn't name all of the books, and we can't be certain that really was Christ since we depend on MEN who told us those were the words of Christ), then we can't trust the Bible itself because for all we know, we could have been lied to.As a result of your belief: You are either trusting in man written documents (that cannot truly be trusted or verified with 100% accuracy - unlike the Bible) or you have a time machine. Either way...
Let God be true and every man be a liar (Romans 3:4).
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No. Not exactly. While the ink on the page was put forth by men, it's true author is God.
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Protestants don't even worship God in a traditional way. Just compare Protestant to Orthodox worship in sound.If you consider "traditional churches" to be Orthodox I believe your entire statement could be flipped around....That traditional churches have lied to themselves and Protestants have put things back on track......
Except the Canon isn't in Scripture. Especially not your canon, which wasn't even made until the 14th or 15th century.
The canon is outside of Scripture.
The author of which canon? There are 12 I know of. Only ONE can be the true one, and since I don't recall God saying which one is the true Canon, unless there happens to be another book that doesn't exist in any of the 12 canons I know of, then I am confused as to which canon you're saying was authored by God. You're running into the same problem now as KJV Onlyists. God didn't say which Canon is the correct one. Man made the canons. Unless you have 100% incontrovertible proof that God bound up the books and said this is the only canon we should use, then you lose.Don't confuse the penman with the author.
Protestants don't even worship God in a traditional way. Just compare Protestant to Orthodox worship in sound.
Ok, then since the names of the gospels and the identification of all the books of apostolic origin was done by men, let's assume the Table of Contents is full of lies, 66 lies in your Bible on that one page. Since it was MEN who declared them Scripture (Christ didn't name all of the books, and we can't be certain that really was Christ since we depend on MEN who told us those were the words of Christ), then we can't trust the Bible itself because for all we know, we could have been lied to.
As to 100% accuracy, was Christ entering Jericho when he healed the blind man outside the city or leaving? Matthew says entering. Mark says leaving. You said 100% accuracy. Absolute arguments are ALMOST always flawed, as is the case in the fact that since we don't have the originals, we can't verify your claim that we can verify the Scripture with 100% certainty. Since we can't even say with certainty which books are Scripture, we certainly can't verify if what is in them is true. And since you reject all opinions of man, then I assume you just call them Gospels 1, 2, 3, and 4, instead of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, since it was Irenaeus who told us who wrote them, fully 2 generations after Christ's ascension and the death of the Apostles! Since we're letting every man be a liar, in a strictly 100% absolutist sense, this is the only conclusion.
The music you use for worship is extremely important. The kind of music you use expresses something, a very particular sort of ancient reverence and awe. The music expresses a condition your heart is to be in during worship, and that itself is part of right worship.So comparing music is the standard of being on the side of the truth?
Yes, there is no doubt a lot of Christian music that is not approved of by God, but that does not negate alot of other good worship musics that are out there for the believer in God's Word today.
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The music you use for worship is extremely important. The kind of music you use expresses something, a very particular sort of ancient reverence and awe. The music expresses a condition your heart is to be in during worship, and that itself is part of right worship.
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