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Please explain how this question is relevant to my statement.
What does one verse matter when we have evidence for:
1.) Numerous canons
2.) Varying translations
3.) Variance in manuscripts
Tell me, if I am to embrace Scripture as my one and only, be all end all, absolute final rule in 'norming', which Scripture should I use? Which canon, which translation?
I don't think it's a matter of one of us being a maverick not in union with Rome but of the tone of the posts.
Which particular verses are you having a problem with contradicting each other according to numerous canons, varrying translations or variance in manuscripts?.....
What does one verse matter when we have evidence for:
1.) Numerous canons
2.) Varying translations
3.) Variance in manuscripts
Tell me, if I am to embrace Scripture as my one and only, be all end all, absolute final rule in 'norming', which Scripture should I use? Which canon, which translation?
Sola scriptura is not demonstrated by scripture.
a person resorting to scripture is not proof of only resorting to scripture.
Isn't that circular reasoning?Strawman -- the Catholic Church did not appoint itself as the authoritative interpreter of the Word of God. It claims it was appointed as such.
But you didn't prove that the claim came from God, you just said so.Strawman -- the Church does not claim that it is right by virtue of its claim that it is right. It claims that it is right by virtue of having been given authority by God. Whether or not you believe that claim is another matter.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, being the oldest manuscript that we have, even though it's not the originals shows us just how accurate of manuscripts we actually have....except Scripture is not 'unalterable'. There are multiple canons (and don't YOU EVEN DARE pull your 'I know you are SO concerned about your unique canon blah blah blah' joke of a copy-and-paste on me again), multiple translations, multiple alterations and insertions, and multiple manuscripts (none of which are original.)
Will people get any closer to salvation if we read the Catechism? Is there something missing in Scripture that does not lead me to salvation that Catechism speaks on? Do I learn something about God in the catechism that I don't learn in His Scriptures? Is there a virtue in the Catechism that's not spoken about in Scripture? Is there something about Christ that is not stated plainly in Scripture? And if I die never reading the Catechism but read Scripture alone, will I be save if I follow what the Scripture told me to but missed something that the Catechism address?I ought to make a huge, long, copy-and-paste called "What the Church teaches and what it doesn't teach" and demand that you read it every time you post -- oh, wait, that already exists. It's called the Catechism, and you clearly do not read it other than to pull paragraphs out of context from it.
daydreamergurl15 said:Isn't that circular reasoning?
We say it all the thing that the word of God is God's word because it says so...same as saying The Catholic church was appointed the authoritative interpreter of the Word of God because it claims it was appointed.
But you didn't prove that the claim came from God, you just said so.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, being the oldest manuscript that we have, even though it's not the originals shows us just how accurate of manuscripts we actually have.
Will people get any closer to salvation if we read the Catechism? Is there something missing in Scripture that does not lead me to salvation that Catechism speaks on? Do I learn something about God in the catechism that I don't learn in His Scriptures? Is there a virtue in the Catechism that's not spoken about in Scripture? Is there something about Christ that is not stated plainly in Scripture? And if I die never reading the Catechism but read Scripture alone, will I be save if I follow what the Scripture told me to but missed something that the Catechism address?
If it stood on its own claim: The Catholic Church is 'the' church because it says so, it would be circular.Isn't that circular reasoning?
We say it all the thing that the word of God is God's word because it says so...same as saying The Catholic church was appointed the authoritative interpreter of the Word of God because it claims it was appointed.
If you want to use Scripture alone, you can, but doing so does not reflect the full depth of the Christian faith. Plus, it is somewhat of an artificial and even arbitrary position because it (sS) does not take into account the Tradition and Church authority that formed it and canonized it.
If it stood on its own claim: The Catholic Church is 'the' church because it says so, it would be circular.
(sS) does not take into account the Tradition and Church authority that formed it and canonized it.
Sure it does. It is the deepest, fullest part. the rest is just guilding the lily as far as using scripture to 'see whether things are so' regarding spiritual trurh & usining it for what is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, & for instruction in righteousness.quote=steve_bakr;If you want to use Scripture alone, you can, but doing so does not reflect the full depth of the Christian faith.
It fully takes into account all things in scripture in which no Christian is never mentionedPlus, it is somewhat of an artificial and even arbitrary position because it (sS) does not take into account the Tradition and Church authority that formed it and canonized it.
If you want to use Scripture alone, you can, but doing so does not reflect the full depth of the Christian faith.
Plus, it is somewhat of an artificial and even arbitrary position because it (sS) does not take into account the Tradition and Church authority that formed it and canonized
Josiah said:Do you know of any other that claims that about the RC Denomination? Or just itself?Montalban said:If it stood on its own claim: The Catholic Church is 'the' church because it says so, it would be circular.
I don't understand the question.
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