Sola Scriptura?

[Dream]

I just don't undestand the whole belief in solo scriptura. I mean, if you read the Gospel, you never see Jesus discussing writing Scripture. He never gave a sermon and asked John "are you getting this all down?" He never said "Alright Peter, after I die, I want you to write down this." However, we do see Jesus establishing a Church (which He says the gates of Hell shall not prevail over.)

Just think about this: if Scripture is supposed to be the only thing we take to heart, why didn't Jesus write anything down? What guided Christianity from 33 AD to 394 AD if there was no Bible?

I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.

 

[Alexis OCA]

I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.

Point gotten.

 

[Bulldog]

I just don't undestand the whole belief in solo scriptura. I mean, if you read the Gospel, you never see Jesus discussing writing Scripture. He never gave a sermon and asked John "are you getting this all down?" He never said "Alright Peter, after I die, I want you to write down this." However, we do see Jesus establishing a Church (which He says the gates of Hell shall not prevail over.)

Just think about this: if Scripture is supposed to be the only thing we take to heart, why didn't Jesus write anything down? What guided Christianity from 33 AD to 394 AD if there was no Bible?

I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.

I mean no offense DreamTheater, but are you posting in OBOB to preach to the choir, or would you really like to understand sola scriptura (and therefore post in a theology forum or the Reformed/other Protestant forum)?

 

[Truth and Reconciliation]

Here it is in a nutshell - from a Protestant:

Protestants believe that the Bible, or Word of God, is fully suficient in guiding us to lead a godly life. I myself, amongst many other Protestants, honor Tradition and the teachings of the Magisterium, but we do not place them above the authority of the Bible.

This is a good site to go to: http://catholicity.elcore.net/BibleOnlyVersesNot.html

"Every command that I enjoin on you, you shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it nor subtracting from it." - Deuteronomy 13:1 (NAB)

"I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book." - Revelation 22:18-19 (NAB)

In Truth,

Vincent

 

[BjBarnett]

"I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book." - Revelation 22:18-19 (NAB)

In Truth,

Vincent

who added to revelations?

 

[FullyMT]

"Every command that I enjoin on you, you shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it nor subtracting from it." - Deuteronomy 13:1 (NAB)

"I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book." - Revelation 22:18-19 (NAB)

Not to cause you to debate...but...imho, this has absolutely nothing to do with Sola Scriptura...Deuteronomy actually seems to work in favor of not having Sola Scriptura...

 

[benedictine]

"I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book." - Revelation 22:18-19 (NAB)

Applies only to the Book of Revelation.

 

[Kripost]

Here it is in a nutshell - from a Protestant:

Protestants believe that the Bible, or Word of God, is fully suficient in guiding us to lead a godly life. I myself, amongst many other Protestants, honor Tradition and the teachings of the Magisterium, but we do not place them above the authority of the Bible.

This is a good site to go to: http://catholicity.elcore.net/BibleOnlyVersesNot.html

"Every command that I enjoin on you, you shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it nor subtracting from it." - Deuteronomy 13:1 (NAB)

"I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book." - Revelation 22:18-19 (NAB)

If that is so, then what do we do with bible versions which lack John 5:4, or at least relegate it to a footnote, e.g. NIV ?

 

[Truth and Reconciliation]

If that is so, then what do we do with bible versions which lack John 5:4, or at least relegate it to a footnote, e.g. NIV ?

I use the NAB, and the NAB also footnotes it. Well, at least the version I have does...

 

[Acceptance]

Applies only to the Book of Revelation.

Not wanting debate, but just inquiring to your belief's...if this only applies to Revelations, then what stops anyone else from adding to the Bible (or taking stuff out of it for that matter)?

 

[BjBarnett]

Not wanting debate, but just inquiring to your belief's...if this only applies to Revelations, then what stops anyone else from adding to the Bible (or taking stuff out of it for that matter)?

well the canon has been closed thats why no one can add to it. i think that its refering only to revelations as well btw.

 

[Acceptance]

well the canon has been closed thats why no one can add to it. i think that its refering only to revelations as well btw.

Sorry, not trying to be difficult but what in the canon says it's closed if not Rev.?

 

[Dream]

"I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book." - Revelation 22:18-19 (NAB)

Sorry, but when this was written, it was not part of the Bible. The Bible was not written at one time, but each are separate books that were finally compiled together at 394 AD.

When John says not to add or remove anything from this book, he is warning not to tamper with what he has written and edit it for your own personal convience. The Catholic Church has not changed anything to the Book of Revelation just as she has not changed any other book of the Bible. The Bible is the infalliable word of God: that's why should not tamper with it. Unfortunately, Luther was the one who tampered with Scripture, editing out the books that contradicted his own personal teachings.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Not wanting debate, but just inquiring to your belief's...if this only applies to Revelations, then what stops anyone else from adding to the Bible (or taking stuff out of it for that matter)?

The teaching and declarations of the Church . . .

People will do what they want to do . . but we have the Church to look to and what the Church defined as scripture . .


Peace in Him!

 

[thereselittleflower]

Sorry, not trying to be difficult but what in the canon says it's closed if not Rev.?

Nothing in the canon says its closed . . just as nothing in the canon tells us what should even BE in the canon. .

The CHURCH says what is in the canon and what is not, and the CHURCH says it is closed . . .


Peace in Him!

 

[Radagast]

I just don't undestand the whole belief in solo scriptura.

Did you mean solo or sola? (they're not the same)

-- Radagast

 

[Benedicta00]

Here it is in a nutshell - from a Protestant:

Protestants believe that the Bible, or Word of God, is fully suficient in guiding us to lead a godly life. I myself, amongst many other Protestants, honor Tradition and the teachings of the Magisterium, but we do not place them above the authority of the Bible.

This is a good site to go to: http://catholicity.elcore.net/BibleOnlyVersesNot.html

"Every command that I enjoin on you, you shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it nor subtracting from it." - Deuteronomy 13:1 (NAB)

"I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book." - Revelation 22:18-19 (NAB)

In Truth,

Vincent

It is sufficient unto itself? Did it drop from the sky or did that magisterium you say that has no authority let us know which books were inspired and which ones weren’t? How can one know what is God’s word unless they have God’s word already to measure it against? Never mind don’t answer that- you can’t in here.

This is what the OP objection to is all about- it makes no logical sense to say that scripture alone is the one and only authority for a number of reasons like self interpretation via the Holy Spirit for one… but you can not debate this in here so I’ll let this be.

 

[Benedicta00]

Applies only to the Book of Revelation.

And if we were to use that logic, then Revelations would be the only book we would have in the NT and all the other gospels and letters that were written before that would be thrown out but what is so ironic with that verse… Luther is the one who wanted to throw out Revelations! The book that Protestants use to say we can not add to or take away from.

 

[Benedicta00]

well the canon has been closed thats why no one can add to it. i think that its refering only to revelations as well btw.

The Church due to all the abuses that took place closed the Cannon.

 

[geocajun]

Evangelical Protestants will tell you with no compunction that scripture cannot have books added to it, but cannot produce one single verse which says that.
This of course makes sense, because no NT writer had any idea whatsoever, that there would ever be a NT compiled, and it didn't even happen until the Catholic Church did it nearly 350 years after Jesus rose.