Sola Scriptura - who has the correct interpretation of the WORD?

[thereselittleflower]

If you'll stop mentioning hermeneutics, arbitration, infalliblity and the nature of the church - and stick to the issue of Sola Scripture - I will not respond to those diviations.

So far, you have desired to discuss EVERYTHING EXCEPT the issue of the Rule/Canon/Norma normans or the doctrine of Scripture.
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If you'll stop mentioning hermeneutics, arbitration, infalliblity and the nature of the church
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CJ, this is a false accusation - I have never once mentioned those things . . this is just obfuscation on your part - if you don't want to answer the questions put to you, then at least don't falsely accuse others.


Let's get back to the subject of the OP. It seems you don't have an answer for the actual question asked . . .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If you'll stop mentioning hermeneutics, arbitration, infalliblity and the nature of the church
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CJ, this is a false accusation - I have never once mentioned those things . . this is just obfuscation on your part - if you don't want to answer the questions put to you, then at least don't falsely accuse others.


Let's get back to the subject of the OP. It seems you don't have an answer for the actual question asked . . .

What answer are you and the OP looking for?

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Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754).
I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously.

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[sunlover1]

Where has it been answered sunlover, I mean really answered in a clear manner, explicitly?

There are 41 pages.
I come to CF to study, discuss and relax.
YOu'll have to search that out yourself.

The OP was very clear what was to be the focus of this thread. If you feel that you can't answer the question explicitly, then that is your answer - it can't be answered explicitly.

EXACTLY!
There, right on this page you have it once again, only I made it
very easy for you to see.

That means no one can tell us who has the correct interpretation.

Of course no one can.

OK - then that is an answer - no one among those who hold to sola scriptura is right in their interpretations of all of scripture.

I have no idea. I don't know all of the men in the earth who
practice SS, I dont have all of the answers myself and so
I have no way to know, nor do I really care.
My job is to study, meditate, and let God transform me into the
image of His dear Son.

That being the case, how do sola scripturists know who is right on any particular point of interpretation?

They dont.
Unless they are God, who IS truth, they cannot
truthfully say that they can know who is or isnt 'right'
on any point of interpretation.
If Paul or Jesus were standing here speaking to me
right now, orally, I cannot know for certain that I
would understand His words exactly as He meant them.

 

[Albion]

Albion, the OP doesn't ask who is right in a particular matter of doctrine

Who is correct?

About what?

Anyone?

I'd say "yes." What about you?

We have never received a clear, unambiguous answer to that question.

Oh yes you have. I take it that you just don't care for the answers you have been given and/or you failed to convert us to your church.

That is not the question of the OP Albion . . . The OP did not ask who is right about any particular doctrine

Then there is no answer that is possible to the question. It is based upon a false premise that has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura. OK? You presume that some church organization here or there must be right on everything or, if not that, wrong on everything. That is ridiculous as a proposition and, in any case, has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura.

it seems that no one has the correct interpretation of scriptures.

Is that how it seems to you? We disagree.

And on this particular question, I alone have answered and explained it at least twice.

. . it seems that what is being claimed is that sola scripturists only have a partially correct interpretation of scriptures, and no one can agree on what that is . . .

It's not just Sola Scriptura people, but ALL Christians. Human nature is not perfect, so mistakes will be made by all people of all denominations or communions. All.

Either someone has the right interpretation of scriptures on all matters of doctrine, or no one has the right interpretation of scriptures on all matters of doctrine.

That is perhaps the biggest fallacy of all. There is no sense to it. It is illogical and without any factual basis. But if you want to explain how you could know this, go ahead.

 

[Machachachi]

How do you know your understanding of its application is correct?

(Now I ask this because I want to take this through a series of steps - you do answer it below, which gives rise to other questions so there is no need for you to answer this again here.)

How do you do that?

Please elaborate - what kind of fruit does your interpretation bear?

How is this a test of right interpretation?

Because I have faith. In the end that is what these questions lead to. I have faith in God that the promise of his Holy Spirit, was not a lie, and that it did come to minister and to teach me.

2 Peter 1:3
3 By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence.

My interpretation bears the fruit of the Spirit, if it does not bear the fruit of the Spirit, it cannot be the proper interpretation. If by interpreting a section of Scripture in a certain way, I become less self-controlled I believe that I have interpreted it wrong. I also have faith the my interpretation is correct because I trust the Holy Spirit, but when I stumble I let the Holy Spirit convict me as well.

Of course none of this really touches the issue.

John 5:39
39 “You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me!

Sola Sciptura of course is limited, it cannot save you. And I'll fight anyone who says otherwise . Needed to get that out of the way.

 

[Albion]

We need to close this thread and open a new one in which Bible Alone is compared to Tradition as a means of apprehending the truth. Otherwise the Traditionalites will merely continue to ask the same question over and over again and ignor the answers, safe in the knowledge that we are not supposed to discuss Tradition or mention that it ALSO doesn't do what they are saying Sola Scriptura fails to do. I will do that now.

 

[Machachachi]

That is probably a very good idea Albion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That is probably a very good idea Albion.

I would just say to quit responding to it and let is just "die a merciful Death".

 

[Akathist]

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