Sola Scriptura - who has the correct interpretation of the WORD?

[CathNancy]

I missed it, thank you LLoJ.

God Bless,
Nancy

 

[PassthePeace1]

No. It is because Sola Scriptura does not guarantee correct interpretation. It is not a hermeneutical principle. It is simply a statement that Scripture has the final say. Among the bodies that adhere to SS, there are many hermeneutical principles in play (grammato-historical, historical-critical, etc). That is why the constant RCC refrain about how SS led to all the evils in the church makes absolutely no sense to us.

While not attempting to speak for all Catholics, I don't think it's that we view SS as the root of all the problems that the Reformation has produced....but rather a by-product of the core problem. Which is when a group of people, think that they can usurp the authority that God gave to the bishops and start their own churches based own their own self appointed authority. I think in the end, Luther got this when he saw the divisions that were occuring within the Reformation.

Peace be with you...Pam

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by JacktheCatholic
Intelligble???

Isn't that a term used with living beings?

No, that would be "intelligent."

Perhaps there is a difference betwee Spiritual "intelligence" and Earthly "intelligence"?
Though that would appear to be "gnostic" thinking but hey, there is a lot of Spirituality symbolism in the Bible it seems.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Exodus 12:23 And YHWH passes to strike the Egyptians and He sees the blood on the lintel and on two of the jambs and YHWH passes over the portal and not He shall allow the ruiner/07843 shachath to come to houses of you to strike.

Reve 9:11 and they are having on them a king, the messenger of the abyss, name to him to-Hebrew, Abaddon/abaddwn <3>, and in the greecian name he is having Destroyer/Ruiner/apo-lluwn <623>.

 

[PassthePeace1]

I never heard that term Solo Scriptura before and so I do not know what to think of it.

The way I see the difference, is those that hold to Sola place themselves under a central authority of sorts, and do hold to some traditions, that they feel hold up to the scrutiny of referances in the bible. Verses, those that hold to Solo, that rely on self that they believe is guided by the Holy Spirit to establish a rule of faith.

Peace be with you...Pam

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The way I see the difference, is those that hold to Sola place themselves under a central authority of sorts, and do hold to some traditions, that they feel hold up to the scrutiny of referances in the bible. Verses, those that hold to Solo, that rely on self that they believe is guided by the Holy Spirit to establish a rule of faith.

Peace be with you...Pam

Everyone here on this board is guided by the Holy Spirit from what I see. What is exactly your point?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Hmm. I am a Greek/Hebrew guy myself

Oh yeah... it is in the original post.

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by scripture alone")

 

[JacktheCatholic]

No, that would be "intelligent."

Good I was beginning to think you thought the Bible can think.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Perhaps there is a difference betwee Spiritual "intelligence" and Earthly "intelligence"?
Though that would appear to be "gnostic" thinking but hey, there is a lot of Spirituality symbolism in the Bible it seems.

Does this weigh in to Sola Scriptura?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Everyone here on this board is guided by the Holy Spirit from what I see. What is exactly your point?

Then why are we not united???

 

[PassthePeace1]

Everyone here on this board is guided by the Holy Spirit from what I see. What is exactly your point?

Yes, everyone is guided by the Holy Spirit, but not everyone has been giving the authority to interpret scripture to define doctrines and dogmas. We can see this is a problem even in the NT. Many of Paul's epistles are dealing and correcting errors that arose amoung the people that step outside of the authority of the apostles, and practiced something other than Apostolic Teachings.

Peace be with you...Pam

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh yeah... it is in the original post.

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by scripture alone")

There is also the greek "only/alone" I think.

John 1:14 And the Word flesh became/egeneto <1096> (5633), and booths in us, and we gaze at the glory of Him, glory as only-generated/mono-genouV <3439> beside Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Then why are we not united???

We are all united in JESUS.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sunlover1 again.

 

[sunlover1]

Hi Sun.


I understand Sola Scriptura to be void of tradition as a measuring tool. The definition provided from Wiki says "scripture interprets scripture" so that you do not need anything to interpret scripture but scripture.

Yet I am now being told that tradition is used by some that are of a church that is Sola Scriptura. So my confusion is two part.

1st we have Sola Scriptura which only needs scripture to interpret scripture but we have some that say they are Sola Scriptura and use more than scripture to interpret scripture. This is a difference in definitions.

2nd we have many churches that have very different teachings and employ Sola Scriptura as their means to interpret scripture. Examples are the Eucharist being real or symbolic. And another is that Jesus is God or Jesus is from God but not God (Jehovah Witness and Mormon). There are more but these two should suffice as examples.

So those are my personal confusions with Sola Scriptura and where I see contradiction.

Because what people say and do are usually not the
same thing are they.

Same with any denominations, again.
We have people right here on CF who
make claims that they dont believe in
birth control or masturbation for
instance, yet... cmon!

LIke Marv said, Just do as the bereans,
study it to see if things line up. Pray to
God for the revelations from His Word,
practice the presence of God, and thus
walk in Christ.
Marvs post was excellent. As you said, some
claim that they dont use any tradition, some
claim that they do, but truth be told, I bet
it's the rare man who doesnt, because we
dont live in a vacuum.

As to Catholicism that is something I did not want to bring in to this thread. I want to keep this soley Sola Scriptura so we do not go off in to Catholicism debates. Frankly that gets tiring and I really want to understand the theology of Sola Scriptura

It does get tiring, just like the protestants are rebellious
etc threads. But it was a point of reference.
Personally, I say that I am SS, but there is more
than one definition of that, as we've seen here.

As far as someone's comment about protestants
not submitting to church leadership etc.
I submit to who God puts me under.
So IF I were to have a priest from RC for instance,
I wouldnt practice birth control, or other things
that RC teaches.
But since Im not under a priest, and since my
pastor is silent on that, then I go with my conscience.

No, I havent had any caffiene,
I just missed talking to you is all.
forgive me

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No, I havent had any caffiene,
I just missed talking to you is all.
forgive me

I missed my caffeine yesterday cuz we ran out of coffee and boy, did I suffer for it later in the day!!! Ever go thru caffeine"withdrawal"

 

[JacktheCatholic]

We are all united in JESUS.

Baptism has a way of doing that.

But I was thinking more along the lines of John 17 when Jesus said to be united as he and the father are united.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

some
claim that they dont use any tradition, some
claim that they do, but truth be told, I bet
it's the rare man who doesnt, because we
dont live in a vacuum.

I tend to see this too. But if that is true then as someone posted earleir, it would not be Sola Scriptura (technically speaking).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Baptism has a way of doing that.

But I was thinking more along the lines of John 17 when Jesus said to be united as he and the father are united.

I am united in Them. Put off the Flesh and clothed yourself in Truth and Righteousness

Hebrews 9:1 Had indeed then also former ordinances of divine-service/latreiaV <2999>, the besides holy, worldly/kosmikon <2886>.

Reve 22:3 And every anathema/kat-anaqema <2652> not shall be longer, and the throne of the God, and of the Lambkin in her shall be. And the Bond-servents of Him shall-be-offering-divine-service/latreusousin <3000> (5692) to Him.

 

[thereselittleflower]

It was a great question.
I answered it on the second page.

Thanks sunlover. It seems that you are asying that no one can know who is right.

Can the question be answered in the opposite - "who has the wrong interpretation of the WORD?"

?

 

[thereselittleflower]

As TLF writely pointed out before, God allowed even an ass to be guided by the HS.
Why not regenrate CHRISTians in the scripture interpretations?

OK then, it should be relatively easy to answer the question asked by the OP, right?

I am very interested in hearing your answer telling us who has the right interpretation of the word.

Would you let us know?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

OK then, it should be relatively easy to answer the question asked by the OP, right?

I am very interested in hearing your answer telling us who has the right interpretation of the word.

Would you let us know?

Who are you implying that does not have the right interpretation.

2 Timothy 4:1 Thru-witnessing then I, before the GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, of the one-being-about/mellontoV <3195> (5723) to be judging/krinein <2919> (5721) living and dead, according as the appearance/manifestation/epifaneian <2015> of Him and the Kingdom of Him

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful and True and in justice He is judging/krinei <2919> (5719) and is battling.