Sola Scriptura principle in SDA FB#1 good or bad?

[BobRyan]

There's nothing wrong with putting that in as a FB. However, to say that any church is Sola Scriptura is simply false. Many churchs define Sola Scriptura to mean: our interpretation of the Bible+ commentators, prophets etc. Sola Scriptura is not something one group can claim.

Well we see FB#1 claiming it.

I don't know of any church that defines sola scriptura to mean "our interpretation" in fact all of them claim "NO scripture is a matter of one's OWN interpretation" 2Peter 1:21.

But of course -- that is the Bible "again".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Avonia]

So to summarize -- we now know "more than God" or "still LESS than God"?

Most of what we can know about God is knowable without the Bible. It's all around us.

The Bible is a record of discovery. It isn't the discovery.

 

[BobRyan]

The "Word of God is living and active and sharper than a two edged sword" Heb 4.

Is 8:27 "to the Law and to the testimony -- if they speak not according to the is Word it is because they have no light".

Acts 17:11 "They studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by Paul WERE so".

In Matt 4 - when Christ confronts Satan it is with "It is Written".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Avonia]

The "Word of God is living and active and sharper than a two edged sword" Heb 4.

Is 8:27 "to the Law and to the testimony -- if they speak not according to the is Word it is because they have no light".

Acts 17:11 "They studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by Paul WERE so".

In Matt 4 - when Christ confronts Satan it is with "It is Written".

in Christ,

Bob

That's a bizarre response given the nature of my post. A bit like quoting the Almagest in response to a challenge of the geocentric model of the universe.

 

[BobRyan]

Put simply - there is a dynamic in scripture that your prior statement missed.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Avonia]

Put simply - there is a dynamic in scripture that your prior statement missed.

in Christ,

Bob

Please - do say more.

 

[BobRyan]

Christ's response to Satan in Matt 4 was "it is written".

But... err.. umm. we "agree" that Christ "IS" God -- right?

The "Word of God is living and active and sharper than a two edged sword" Heb 4.

Christ Himself argues "the Word of God CAN not be broken"

And also adds "I do not say I will judge you" "My Word will Judge you"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Avonia]

But... err.. umm. we "agree" that Christ "IS" God -- right?

There is no way to know that. It is correct that most Christians tend to agree on that belief.

 

[BobRyan]

But "we" -- the you and me that is SDA as you say... Agree on that point --- do "we" not?

 

[Avonia]

But "we" -- the you and me that is SDA as you say... Agree on that point --- do "we" not?

I have great resonance with the Christian conceptual model of God. If I didn't, I wouldn't have SDA by my lovely avatar.

But there is a difference between knowing there is a trinity and believing there is a trinity.

 

[JonMiller]

I fail to see why current observations are more valid then observations made 2000 years ago, at what I (and most other Christians think) was a special time.

I know that that is an argument of Senti's, and an argument of yours, but it seems pretty baseless.

JM

 

[BobRyan]

Bob said
But... err.. umm. we "agree" that Christ "IS" God -- right?

I have great resonance with the Christian conceptual model of God. If I didn't, I wouldn't have SDA by my lovely avatar.

But there is a difference between knowing there is a trinity and believing there is a trinity.

Whether you "know it" because it turns out you are God and saw yourself in all your Trinitarian aspects OR you simply "believe in the Trinity" because you trust the Word of God and find the Trinity argument from scripture to be convincing... "the point remains".

Given that you as an SDA "believe" this about Christ being the God-man "Was WITH God and WAS GOD" as John 1 says -- then you have the case of Matt 4 "again" where instead of Christ simply "making stuff up on the spot" his response in each case is "It is Written" showing Scripture to have much more value than some seem to suppose and also showing us that the modern form of "roll your own" for doctrinal argument and proofs was being treated as "less than" by Christ Himself.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Avonia]

Whether you "know it" because it turns out you are God and saw yourself in all your Trinitarian aspects OR you simply "believe in the Trinity" because you trust the Word of God and find the Trinity argument from scripture to be convincing... "the point remains".

Given that you as an SDA "believe" this about Christ being the God-man "Was WITH God and WAS GOD" as John 1 says -- then you have the case of Matt 4 "again" where instead of Christ simply "making stuff up on the spot" his response in each case is "It is Written" showing Scripture to have much more value than some seem to suppose and also showing us that the modern form of "roll your own" for doctrinal argument and proofs was being treated as "less than" by Christ Himself.

in Christ,

Bob

It's not clear to me that you understand the conversation being offered.

 

[BobRyan]

How so?

 

[Tonks]

having said that -- I just checked your religion-icon -- you claim to be Catholic. EVERY time I bring up the IDEA of "sola scriptura" on a Catholic board -- that ALONE get's me loaded with groaning and moaning responses about how sola scriptura is the wrong way to test doctrine. I would say that your claim above then is false since your own group explicitly argues AGAINST sola scriptura each time that is posted as a subject title on a thread.

hmmm - time to conduct that experiement here...
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=50152282&postcount=1

in Christ,

Bob

Before continuing with "experiments" I suggest that you familiarize yourself with CF's Rules - particularly regarding the somewhat protected nature of denominational forums.

Congregation Forums
Debating in congregation forums you are not a member of is not allowed.

There are other areas of the site which are better suited to your request. Such type of things generally lead to trouble in congregational areas.

 

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Well I did not realize that the Orthodox and Catholic thread had no real Roman Catholics. But I find it odd that I voted for Sola Scriptura on that thread making 1 of only TWO who did!

in Christ,

Bob

One Body, One Blood is the Roman Catholic board.
The Ancient Way is the Eastern Orthodox Board.
Scripture, Tradition, Reason, is the Anglican/Old Catholic board.

Old Catholics are not Roman Catholics, and have no affiliation with the Vatican.

Hope this clears things up for you.

 

[common tater]

Dear Avonia,

In your post # 22, you state that most of what we can know about God is knowable without the bible because it is all around us, but in later posts you point out that we cannot know the Christ is God or that there is a Trinity. We can't know it but we can believe it. What do you think or know that we can know about God from that which is all around us?

 

[Avonia]

Dear Avonia,

In your post # 22, you state that most of what we can know about God is knowable without the bible because it is all around us, but in later posts you point out that we cannot know the Christ is God or that there is a Trinity. We can't know it but we can believe it. What do you think or know that we can know about God from that which is all around us?

Excellent question CT.

Much of the efficacy of our beliefs may be measured by what's left if you remove them. If everything you believe about God proves untrue, what do you still know about God?

Falling in love is different than believing there is something called love. Being inspired is different than believing there have been those who were.

If nothing is outside of God, every experience we have tells us something about God. Our experience of doing anything to save our child provides insight into what a God would do for Its creation. The depth of our love for another provides insight into the nature of God's love for us.

The Bible is one perfect way, not the perfect way.

 

[common tater]

Dear Avonia,

Do you think there is room for a belief in something that you cannot prove? Is there room for faith?

 

[BobRyan]

Before continuing with "experiments" I suggest that you familiarize yourself with CF's Rules - particularly regarding the somewhat protected nature of denominational forums.

There are other areas of the site which are better suited to your request. Such type of things generally lead to trouble in congregational areas.

Well the board members there appeared to be eager to discuss the subject -- and as I did not go there to argue them into anything - I really had no problem at all with the members.

in Christ,

Bob