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Stop quoting biased translations of Scripture, and that isn't what is being addressed here.


When the scriptures are "mistranslated" (according to you) and standard english dictionary definitions "can not be used" (according to you), there is little room left for a meaningful dialogue. :doh:

Here, let's try a few from Merriam Webster's dictionary:

sodomite

One entry found for sodomite. Main Entry: sod·om·ite
Pronunciation: -"mIt
Function: noun
: one who practices sodomy

sodomy

One entry found for sodomy. Main Entry: sod·omy
Pronunciation: 'sä-d&-mE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1-11
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal


fornication

One entry found for fornication. Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun
: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other -- compare [SIZE=-1]ADULTERY[/SIZE]

Those of us that speak english know what this means.
 
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You don't have anything to repent of, you believe you are speaking the truth, Kathy, which is why I said, I don't see you as a "homophobe" or anything like that.

I have alot to repent of!!!!!!!!!!! I can assure you I am so far from perfect that you can't see the finish line. Daily I have to get up ask the Lord to help me through the day, and then humble more times then I want to count, go back to Him and ask forgiveness for something that I did.

Something I knew better, but did anyhow. At bedtime I have to ask Him again that while I sleep, if He would make me stronger so that the next day I walk more like Him and less like me.

I do thank you for not seeing me as homophobe, because that would be so far from the truth.

I would be deeply offended if God would convict me of this, because there isn't any way to change it, and I do believe that we were just made this way...we are a very small minority. Should anyone who doesn't feel called to celibacy have to live that type of depressing life? It is PROVEN FACT, that homosexuals who get into committed relationships, are happy and live fulfilling lives! My current Pastor seems so at peace and fulfilled in his life w/his partner.

The only thing that I can tell you is that for whatever reason, some things that we ask to be set free from, are gone right then and there. Then there are those other things that take forever or never totally leave us. I can't begin to know why, but I know that sometimes it is to make us stronger. Or a lesson that we need to learn, and sometimes, well we may never know till we see Him face to face.

Let's look at Romans 1, but this time lets look at the first part of Romans.

Romans 1:1-17

1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
9For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
10Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.
11For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
12That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.
13Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
14I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
15So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Maybe Paul discussed grace, obedience, and faith in the first part of this chapter, because he knew the last half was not going to be easy for anyone? I don't know, but I think I will study more on the first part of Romans 1, to see if maybe the Lord has something there for us also.

Scripture does not have an answer for everything, and marriage back in the Bible was more about inheritance than love, anyways...explain that one away (unequally yoked, too). One could tell you "pornography is OK, it's not mentioned in the Bible", we must just go to the Holy Spirit, ask for wisdom and obey our conscience, that was given to us by God.

Don't tell Abraham and Sarah that their marriage was just about inheritance and not love. Or Jacob, father of Joseph, and Rachel.

Explain, unequally yoked? Sorry could you maybe say alittle more about what you want me to explain?:confused:

So when someone looks at porn, why are they looking? Is it not lusts? The Bible has that covered, right.


 
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A couple of things I'd like to address about this passage.

1) How did murderers get off the hook? Why doesn't it mention murderers in this verse?

2) The above is included in a chapter called "Lawsuits Among Believers"... could it be that these were the things that the people in Corinth at that time were having lawsuits against each other?

IOW, the above were against the civil law in Corinth, and still are against the civil law today in many countries, but not all countries (unfortunately) as child male prostitution in 3rd World countries still exists, as does heterosexual child and female prostitution.

But -- Could this be a possibility regarding "lawsuits"? Because Paul is saying he is ashamed of their lawsuits against each other in 1 Cor 6... and then goes on to say "Do not be deceived: ....

Though I still don't see how murderers escaped being mentioned in that passage?

Could someone explain that to me logically?

Does anyone have a logical explanation for murderers being left out of that passage, among other sins? But, I am especially trying to ascertain why murderers are left out of that passage in 1 Cor 6 -- "Lawsuits Among Believers".

Thanks.

1 Cor 6

1 Corinthians 6:9-109 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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I have alot to repent of!!!!!!!!!!! I can assure you I am so far from perfect that you can't see the finish line. Daily I have to get up ask the Lord to help me through the day, and then humble more times then I want to count, go back to Him and ask forgiveness for something that I did.​


That isn't what I mean Kathy, I'm talking about this subject.

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I do thank you for not seeing me as homophobe, because that would be so far from the truth.
I explained that OVER and OVER...if that were true, that would mean I used to be a homophobe against myself (although, partly true because I hated myself).



The only thing that I can tell you is that for whatever reason, some things that we ask to be set free from, are gone right then and there. Then there are those other things that take forever or never totally leave us. I can't begin to know why, but I know that sometimes it is to make us stronger. Or a lesson that we need to learn, and sometimes, well we may never know till we see Him face to face.
There isn't any proof of this changing. The Bible is not the be all, end all answer to sexual orientation...it doesn't even mention one. Some homosexual acts, perhaps, but the same chapter that they say is the main clobber passage (Leviticus), informs us how we should go about slavery and pass slaves onto our kids (chapter 25).

Don't tell Abraham and Sarah that their marriage was just about inheritance and not love. Or Jacob, father of Joseph, and Rachel.

Explain, unequally yoked? Sorry could you maybe say alittle more about what you want me to explain?:confused:

What is so hard to get w/this? Yes, some great marriages are mentioned in the Bible. What about the marriages of where the rape victim had to marry her attacker? what about the ones where the slaves were forced to marry their master? (Deut.) There are plenty of terrible rules, and marriages based upon sickness.
So when someone looks at porn, why are they looking? Is it not lusts? The Bible has that covered, right.

Yes, it's lust. Technically the term for it is "voyeurism"...but I mean specifically it isn't mentioned in the Bible, so if people are looking for a loophole, they have got it, but that doesn't give them a loophole w/the Holy Spirit's conviction upon them.​
 
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Does anyone have a logical explanation for murderers being left out of that passage, among other sins? But, I am especially trying to ascertain why murderers are left out of that passage in 1 Cor 6 -- "Lawsuits Among Believers".
Thanks.

Maybe the difference from milk and meat teaching..Maybe they weren't having an issue with murderers when He wrote the letter.. Just a few thoughts..shalom..kim
 
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Maybe the difference from milk and meat teaching..Maybe they weren't having an issue with murderers when He wrote the letter.. Just a few thoughts..shalom..kim

I don't think so kim. That verse is used to condemn homosexuals to Hell on Christian forums, though Paul is really speaking about lawsuits?

So, if this verse keeps homosexuals out of the kingdom of God as used here 50 trillion times on CF and counting as a damnation verse, then why aren't murderers included in that verse if it's a damnation scripture? That does not compute, aka make logical sense.
 
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I don't think so kim. That verse is used to condemn homosexuals to Hell on Christian forums, though Paul is really speaking about lawsuits?

So, if this verse keeps homosexuals out of the kingdom of God as used here 50 trillion times on CF and counting as a damnation verse, then why aren't murderers included in that verse if it's a damnation scripture? That does not compute, aka make logical sense.


mmm because it is more important for some to bash homosexuals? who knows. It always makes us feel better when we percieve that others are worse than us. I always wondered why some condemn and others don't. take for example Billy Graham. He seems to be able to get across the message of salvation without using any particular group as a human Pinata. others need to condemn and isolate certain groups. Gays have always been isolated by those that hate. The nazis used Gays and Jews as scapegoats. Remember the Pink triangles. As a gay person, always remember what our Jewish Brethren said "Never again" It is up to us to stand and fight.
 
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Does anyone have a logical explanation for murderers being left out of that passage, among other sins? But, I am especially trying to ascertain why murderers are left out of that passage in 1 Cor 6 -- "Lawsuits Among Believers".
Thanks.​


1 Cor 6​


1 Corinthians 6:9-109 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders


10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


Here are some thoughts about 1 Cor.


Solemn Warnings. (a. d. 57.)


9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.​

Here he takes occasion to warn them against many heinous evils, to which they had been formerly addicted.​

I. He puts it to them as a plain truth, of which they could not be ignorant, that such sinners should not inherit the kingdom of God. The meanest among them must know thus much, that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God (v. 9), shall not be owned as true members of his church on earth, nor admitted as glorious members of the church in heaven. All unrighteousness is sin; and all reigning sin, nay, every actual sin committed deliberately, and not repented of, shuts out of the kingdom of heaven. He specifies several sorts of sins: against the first and second commandments, as idolaters; against the seventh, as adulterers, fornicators, effeminate, and Sodomites; against the eighth, as thieves and extortioners, that by force or fraud wrong their neighbours; against the ninth, as revilers; and against the tenth, as covetous and drunkards, as those who are in a fair way to break all the rest. Those who knew any thing of religion must know that heaven could never be intended for these. The scum of the earth are no ways fit to fill the heavenly mansions. Those who do the devil's work can never receive God's wages, at least no other than death, the just wages of sin, Rom. vi. 23.​

II. Yet he warns them against deceiving themselves: Be not deceived. Those who cannot but know the fore-mentioned truth are but too apt not to attend to it. Men are very much inclined to flatter themselves that God is such a one as themselves, and that they may live in sin and yet die in Christ, may lead the life of the devil's children and yet go to heaven with the children of God. But this is all a gross cheat. Note, It is very much the concern of mankind that they do not cheat themselves in the matters of their souls. We cannot hope to sow to the flesh and yet reap everlasting life.​

III. He puts them in mind what a change the gospel and grace of God had made in them: Such were some of you (v. 11), such notorious sinners as he had been reckoning up. The Greek word is tauta—such things were some of you, very monsters rather than men. Note, Some that are eminently good after their conversion have been as remarkably wicked before. Quantum mutatus ab illo!—How glorious a change does grace make! It changes the vilest of men into saints and the children of God. Such were some of you, but you are not what you were. You are washed, you are sanctified, you are justified in the name of Christ, and by the Spirit of our God. Note, The wickedness of men before conversion is no bar to their regeneration and reconciliation to God. The blood of Christ, and the washing of regeneration, can purge away all guilt and defilement. Here is a rhetorical change of the natural order: You are sanctified, you are justified. Sanctification is mentioned before justification: and yet the name of Christ, by which we are justified, is placed before the Spirit of God, by whom we are sanctified. Our justification is owing to the merit of Christ; our sanctification to the operation of the Spirit: but both go together. Note, None are cleansed from the guilt of sin, and reconciled to God through Christ, but those who are also sanctified by his Spirit. All who are made righteous in the sight of God are made holy by the grace of God.​


In this chapter the apostle, I. Reproves them for going to law with one another about small matters, and bringing the cause before heathen judges, ver. 1-8. II. He takes occasion hence to warn them against many gross sins, to which they had been formerly addicted, ver. 9-11. III. And, having cautioned them against the abuse of their liberty, he vehemently dehorts them from fornication, by various arguments, ver. 12 to the end.
 
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mmm because it is more important for some to bash homosexuals? who knows. It always makes us feel better when we percieve that others are worse than us. I always wondered why some condemn and others don't. take for example Billy Graham. He seems to be able to get across the message of salvation without using any particular group as a human Pinata. others need to condemn and isolate certain groups. Gays have always been isolated by those that hate. The nazis used Gays and Jews as scapegoats. Remember the Pink triangles. As a gay person, always remember what our Jewish Brethren said "Never again" It is up to us to stand and fight.

I don't believe the people who are looking at these verses a different way are full of hate. That is how they read the scripture and think homosexuals are not saved, and they want to save you.

I have said before that I am a heterosexual, and I will always be attracted to men. Even if I became Hindu and worshiped the Elephant god (God gave them up to a depraved mind because they served the creature instead of the Creator), yet even if I changed from Christian (which will never happen) to Hindu, I'd still be heterosexual.

I think what Paul is saying in 1 Corinthians 6 though is why are you bringing lawsuits among these people when that's what some of you were, but you were freely pardoned by grace and faith in Jesus Christ, and now you want to sue people for doing what you did?
 
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That isn't what I mean Kathy, I'm talking about this subject.
Maybe sexual sins are greater than other sins? Let me explain what I mean, before you flame me, ok. ^_^

The bible tells us that all other sins are outside the body, but sexual sins are against our body. It then reminds us how our body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit.

So why would sexual sins be harder? Could it be because that is where the devil is working the hardest. If we are joined with the Lord we are one spirit with Him, and the devil is attacking that spirit.

We see in 1 Cor. 6:17-20 how we are not our own, because we are bought with a price. What greater thing does the devil want to do but cause a war in our spirit, that spirit that is in us. That spirit that came from the Lord. So there is a spiritual war going on not only in the body, meaning the church, but in our physical body.


I explained that OVER and OVER...if that were true, that would mean I used to be a homophobe against myself (although, partly true because I hated myself).


Hated yourself? Well we know that wasn't from God, don't we? So you hated yourself for having SSA, which then let you put yourself down enough to open the door for the devil to come in with the answer deguised as an angel of light.


I know you won't agree with what I just said, but it does clear some things up in my mind.









 
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There isn't any proof of this changing. The Bible is not the be all, end all answer to sexual orientation...it doesn't even mention one. Some homosexual acts, perhaps, but the same chapter that they say is the main clobber passage (Leviticus), informs us how we should go about slavery and pass slaves onto our kids (chapter 25).


Which has nothing to do with Chapter 18.


Oppression of Brethren Forbidden. (b. c. 1490.)

39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant: 40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubilee: 41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return. 42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen. 43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God. 44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour. 47 And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee, or to the stock of the stranger's family: 48 After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him: 49 Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself. 50 And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubilee: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him. 51 If there be yet many years behind, according unto them he shall give again the price of his redemption out of the money that he was bought for. 52 And if there remain but few years unto the year of jubilee, then he shall count with him, and according unto his years shall he give him again the price of his redemption. 53 And as a yearly hired servant shall he be with him: and the other shall not rule with rigour over him in thy sight. 54 And if he be not redeemed in these years, then he shall go out in the year of jubilee, both he, and his children with him. 55 For unto me the children of Israel are servants; they are my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Lev. 25:39-55
We have here the laws concerning servitude, designed to preserve the honour of the Jewish nation as a free people, and rescued by a divine power out of the house of bondage, into the glorious liberty of God's sons, his first-born. Now the law is,

I. That a native Israelite should never be made a bondman for perpetuity. If he was sold for debt, or for a crime, by the house of judgment, he was to serve but six years, and to go out the seventh; this was appointed, Exod. xxi. 2. But if he sold himself through extreme poverty, having nothing at all left him to preserve his life, and if it was to one of his own nation that he sold himself, in such a case it is here provided, 1. That he should not serve as a bond-servant (v. 39), nor be sold with the sale of a bondman (v. 42); that is, "it must not be looked upon that his master that bought him had as absolute a property in him as in a captive taken in war, that might be used, sold, and bequeathed, at pleasure, as much as a man's cattle; no, he shall serve thee as a hired servant, whom the master has the use of only, but not a despotic power over." And the reason is, They are my servants, v. 42. God does not make his servants slaves, and therefore their brethren must not. God had redeemed them out of Egypt, and therefore they must never be exposed to sale as bondmen. The apostle applies this spiritually (1 Cor. vii. 23), You are bought with a price, be not the servants of men, that is, "of the lusts of men, no, nor of your own lusts;" for, having become the servants of God, we must not let sin reign in our mortal bodies, Rom. vi. 12, 22. 2. That while he did serve he should not be ruled with rigour, as the Israelites were in Egypt, v. 43. Both his work and his usage must be such as were fitting for a son of Abraham. Masters are still required to give to their servants that which is just and equal, Col. iv. 1. They may be used, but must not be abused. Those masters that are always hectoring and domineering over their servants, taunting them and trampling upon them, that are unreasonable in exacting work and giving rebukes, and that rule them with a high hand, forget that their Master is in heaven; and what will they do when he rises up? as holy Job reasons with himself, Job xxxi. 13, 14. 3. That at the year of jubilee he should go out free, he and his children, and should return to his own family, v. 41. This typified our redemption from the service of sin and Satan by the grace of God in Christ, whose truth makes us free, John vii. 32. The Jewish writers say that, for ten days before the jubilee-trumpet sounded, the servants that were to be discharged by it did express their great joy by feasting, and wearing garlands on their heads: it is therefore called the joyful sound, Ps. lxxxix. 15. And we are thus to rejoice in the liberty we have by Christ.


II. That they might purchase bondmen of the heathen nations that were round about them, or of those strangers that sojourned among them (except of those seven nations that were to be destroyed); and might claim a dominion over them, and entail them upon their families as an inheritance, for the year of jubilee should give no discharge to them, v. 44, 46. Thus in our English plantations the negroes only are used as slaves; how much to the credit of Christianity I shall not say. Now, 1. This authority which they had over the bondmen whom they purchased from the neighbouring nations was in pursuance of the blessing of Jacob, Gen. xxvii. 29, Let people serve thee. 2. It prefigured the bringing in of the Gentiles to the service of Christ and his church. Ask of me, and I will give thee the heathen for thy inheritance, Ps. ii. 8. And it is promised (Isa. lxi. 5), Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your vine-dressers; see Rev. ii. 26, 27. The upright shall have the dominion in the morning, Ps. xlix. 14. 3. It intimates that none shall have the benefit of the gospel jubilee but those only that are Israelites indeed, and the children of Abraham by faith: as for those that continue heathenish, they continue bondmen. See this turned upon the unbelieving Jews themselves, Gal. iv. 25, where Jerusalem, when she had rejected Christ, is said to be in bondage with her children. Let me only add here that, though they are not forbidden to rule their bondmen with rigour, yet the Jewish doctors say, "It is the property of mercy, and way of wisdom, that a man should be compassionate, and not make his yoke heavy upon any servant that he has."

III. That if an Israelite sold himself for a servant to a wealthy proselyte that sojourned among them care should be taken that he should have the same advantages as if he had sold himself to an Israelite, and in some respects greater. 1. That he should not serve as a bondman, but as a hired servant, and not to be ruled with rigour (v. 53), in thy sight, which intimated that the Jewish magistrates should particularly have an eye to him, and, if he were abused, should take cognizance of it, and redress his grievances, though the injured servant did not himself complain. Also he was to go free at the year of jubilee, v. 54. Though the sons of strangers might serve them for ever, yet the sons of Israel might not serve strangers for ever; yet the servant here, having made himself a slave by his own act and deed, should not go out in the seventh year of release, but in the jubilee only. 2. That he should have this further advantage that he might be redeemed again before the year of jubilee, v. 48, 49. He that had sold himself to an Israelite might, if ever he was able, redeem himself, but his relations had no right to redeem him. "But if a man sold himself to a stranger," the Jews say, "his relations were urged to redeem him; if they did not, it was fit that he should be redeemed at the public charge," which we find done, Neh. v. 8. The price of his ransom was to be computed according to the prospect of the year of jubilee (v. 50-52), as in the redemption of land, v. 15, 16. The learned bishop Patrick quotes one of the Jewish rabbin for an evangelical exposition of that appointment (v. 48), One of his brethren shall redeem him. "This Redeemer," says the rabbi, "is the Messiah, the Son of David." They expected this Messiah to be their Redeemer out of their captivity, and to restore them to their own land again; but we welcome him as the Redeemer who shall come to Zion, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob, for he shall save his people from their sins; and under this notion there were those that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.


What is so hard to get w/this? Yes, some great marriages are mentioned in the Bible. What about the marriages of where the rape victim had to marry her attacker? what about the ones where the slaves were forced to marry their master? (Deut.) There are plenty of terrible rules, and marriages based upon sickness.


So have you research the meaning of these, like with the commentary listed above, for Lev. 25? Reading more than one, getting several opinions on what it means or is saying? I can do some research if you like.


Yes, it's lust. Technically the term for it is "voyeurism"...but I mean specifically it isn't mentioned in the Bible, so if people are looking for a loophole, they have got it, but that doesn't give them a loophole w/the Holy Spirit's conviction upon them.


Why would everything from day 1 till the end of time have to be there by word when if you are not to do the sin of lust you aren't doing porn?


Is the word porn not being there mean that it is ok even if lust of the flesh is called a sin? If every kind of lust of the flesh, even if it is quite clear that is what it is, isn't mentioned then they can not be clear that it is wrong? Yeah I guess the devil can sure use that to deceive, doesn't he?


That is why we are reminded that we aren't fighting against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers.


The scriptures tell us how we can't do anything, but it also reminds us that He can do everything. We just have to give it to Him , and then not pick it back up as we leave His presence. Oh, for the day that my entire heart is His, along with everything else that He didn't what me to hold on to or to try and handle all by myself.


So the thing that can never be forgotten is:

Greater is He that is in me, then he that is in the world.:clap:
 
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savedandhappy1 said:
I know you won't agree with what I just said, but it does clear some things up in my mind.

No, I don't believe at all, because I have been set free in the most liberating way, that doesn't come from Satan...it is the same as the way the Holy Spirit has been.

That "darkness" is over, and completely...and quite a few have confirmed it was from the Lord.
 
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No, I don't believe at all, because I have been set free in the most liberating way, that doesn't come from Satan...it is the same as the way the Holy Spirit has been.

That "darkness" is over, and completely...and quite a few have confirmed it was from the Lord.


So God made you hate yourself? :sigh: :(
 
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So God made you hate yourself? :sigh: :(
No, do different ethnic groups/ people hate themselves because of how God created them or the problems socially from being ridiculed?
 
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