Sodomites!!!!

[davedjy]

You will need to cite source- every time you claim something that is not consistent, please just go ahead and cite source.

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Give an example of fornication that is specifically just premarital sex, and get back to me. Thanks!

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Give an example of fornication that is specifically just premarital sex, and get back to me. Thanks!

Do homosexuals have sex outside of marrage? Answer, yes. Is that a sin? Answer, yes.

 

[Gusoceros]

4202 porneia {por-ni'-ah}
from 4203; TDNT - 6:579,918; n f

AV - fornication 26; 26

1) illicit sexual intercourse
1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse
with animals etc.
1b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
2) metaph. the worship of idols
2a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the
sacrifices offered to idols

 

[intricatic]

ekporneuo isn't the typical word for fornication used elsewhere in the Bible.

Strongs says it's;

1608
1) to go a whoring, "give one's self over to fornication"

Which is nonspecific as far as whether the person who is giving themselves over to fornication is married or not.

7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality* and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
(Jude 1)

* = ekporneuo

 

[Gusoceros]

the burden to cite source for your claims is yours-

 

[intricatic]

Well no, but there were Angelic beings that came to earth, but that probably somehow correlates in with them talking about Michael the archangel.

Um... they were talking about a group of apostates who lusted after strange flesh. I sincerely doubt they were referring to Michael the archangel.

10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
(Jude 1)

 

[davedjy]

the burden to cite source for your claims is yours-

No it is not...you haven't refuted my original argument, that is how debates work.

GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF PREMARITAL SEX IN THE BIBLE ALL BY ITSELF

 

[davedjy]

Um... they were talking about a group of apostates who lusted after strange flesh. I sincerely doubt they were referring to Michael the archangel.

I didn't say that, they were raping the angelic hosts that came to earth, that is scholarly interpretation.

 

[davedjy]

4202 porneia {por-ni'-ah}
from 4203; TDNT - 6:579,918; n f

AV - fornication 26; 26

1) illicit sexual intercourse
1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse
with animals etc.
1b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
2) metaph. the worship of idols
2a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the
sacrifices offered to idols

that is a biased dictionary definition, someone pulled that crap the other day on me, it won't work here!

 

[intricatic]

I didn't say that, they were raping the angelic hosts that came to earth, that is scholarly interpretation.

Who were? The people Jude was using Sodom and Gammorah as an example of?

The people Jude was talking about were apostates in the Church who were lusting after one another.

Either the scholarly interpretation missed a huge chunk of context, or it really isn't that scholarly afterall.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I didn't say that, they were raping the angelic hosts that came to earth, that is scholarly interpretation.

What are you talking about? This discussion has gotten so out of hand, and rather bizare if you ask me.

 

[davedjy]

Who were? The people Jude was using Sodom and Gammorah as an example of?

The people Jude was talking about were apostates in the Church who were lusting after one another.

They were raping the angelic visitors and raping the visitors! you think this is an example of loving, monogamous, same sex relationships?

 

[davedjy]

What are you talking about? This discussion has gotten so out of hand, and rather bizare if you ask me.

We are talking about Sodom and Gomorrah, what is bizarre about the discussion?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

They were raping the angelic visitors and raping the visitors! you think this is an example of loving, monogamous, same sex relationships?

Will someone PLEASE tell me what verses we are talking about here, as I don't remember this EVER happening.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Well, Sodom and Gomorrah was a pretty weird place. They liked the Homosexuality as well.

 

[davedjy]

Will someone PLEASE tell me what verses we are talking about here, as I don't remember this EVER happening.

You don't know your Bible well, do you?

Read Genesis 19 and Judges 19

 

[intricatic]

They were raping the angelic visitors and raping the visitors! you think this is an example of loving, monogamous, same sex relationships?

Who were? Read Jude, man! Jude is not specifically talking about Sodom and Gammorah, that was an example to refer to the apostates in the church!

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Jude 1)

 

[intricatic]

Will someone PLEASE tell me what verses we are talking about here, as I don't remember this EVER happening.

Jude.

 

[davedjy]

Well, Sodom and Gomorrah was a pretty weird place. They liked the Homosexuality as well.

Liked the homosexuality or RAPED the visitors and engaged in promiscuous sex acts w/prostitutes, orgies and all?

 

[davedjy]

Who were? Read Jude, man! Jude is not specifically talking about Sodom and Gammorah, that was an example to refer to the apostates in the church!

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Jude 1)

Babble Boy has confused me again! ROFLMAO!