So...

[tulc]

Then she isn't really his family.

...or she is just having some trouble accepting something about her son?
tulc(sometimes it takes time)

 

[Caylin]

IMO, there is a difference between having trouble accepting and being ashamed.

 

[tulc]

IMO, there is a difference between having trouble accepting and being ashamed.

True (to an extent) but you want to be careful when it comes to writing family off. It's better (IMHO) to err on the side of being patient then to just dismiss too quickly. See what I'm saying?
tulc(just a thought)

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Then she isn't really his family.

There are probably cultural factors involved, it's not as easy for older people.
Even my mother was shocked when she found out about my brother, give them time before you judge.

 

[Caylin]

I'm fine with *shocked* and surprised. I'm not fine with "ashamed." Ashamed leads to people being told they can't see their siblings anymore and uninvites to family holidays.

 

[HaloHope]

...anyone become gay while I was gone?
tulc(likes to keep up on these things)

Yay welcome back tulc.

Iv'e become.. if anything.. gayer

 

[jamielindas]

Yay welcome back tulc.

Iv'e become.. if anything.. gayer

gayer?! is it possible?
Now I have to try harder!

 

[scraparcs]

I decided to say I was gay, but secretly try to flirt with men on the side.

 

[DMagoh]

...My boyfriend is going through some issues. He wants me to come to his graduation (post college thing), but his grandparents are coming too and they don't know he's gay and dating... what to do?

I was totally joking about doing that.
"Hi... i'm the guy that's sodomizing your grandson!"

So, are you saying you and your boyfriend are having sex with each other before marriage? In the gay christian world, is pre-marital sex (or for the sake of argument, pre-soulmate committment sex) not a sin? Just curious.

 

[Texas Lynn]

So, are you saying you and your boyfriend are having sex with each other before marriage? In the gay christian world, is pre-marital sex (or for the sake of argument, pre-soulmate committment sex) not a sin? Just curious.

Tell you what, if you can show 100% of heterosexuals getting married in conservative Christian churches are being celibate until marriage your line of inquiry is appropriate.

 

[tulc]

So, are you saying you and your boyfriend are having sex with each other before marriage? In the gay christian world, is pre-marital sex (or for the sake of argument, pre-soulmate committment sex) not a sin? Just curious.

Ahh! Yet another reason for gay marriage!
tulc(good point!)

 

[DMagoh]

So, are you saying you and your boyfriend are having sex with each other before marriage? In the gay christian world, is pre-marital sex (or for the sake of argument, pre-soulmate committment sex) not a sin? Just curious.

Tell you what, if you can show 100% of heterosexuals getting married in conservative Christian churches are being celibate until marriage your line of inquiry is appropriate.

My line of inquiry is totally appropriate because:

• Are you saying that if 100% of Christians dont tell the truth all the time, then lying is NOT a sin? It doesnt matter what percent of whom does what. If pre-marital sex is a sin, then it is a sin. God doesnt grade on a "curve". I am heterosexual - if I have sex with someone I am not married to, then I am sinning and will have to answer to God for it. So will jamielindas or any other gay man.
• Gay christians continue to insist that the Bible doesnt say anything about a loving, committed, long-term homosexual relationship. I disagree, but for the sake of argument, assuming that is true, engaging in sex with someone they are not in a long-term commitment with is sinning anyway, just like a heterosexual would be if they had sex with someone they were not married to.

So my question is legit: Does jamielindas (or any other gay man) think that having sex with someone you are not in a long-term (hopefully lifelong) commitment with a sin?

 

[HaloHope]

So my question is legit: Does jamielindas (or any other gay man) think that having sex with someone you are not in a long-term (hopefully lifelong) commitment with a sin?

While im not a "Gay man" as a gay woman I do think having sex outside of a long-term commitment is a sin. But I also believe a ceromony is not at all required for a couple gay or straight to be married in Gods eyes. God knows peoples hearts and when they enter into a relationship with the full intention of staying together for life, thats married, paper and ceromony isnt required.

 

[DMagoh]

While im not a "Gay man" as a gay woman I do think having sex outside of a long-term commitment is a sin. But I also believe a ceromony is not at all required for a couple gay or straight to be married in Gods eyes. God knows peoples hearts and when they enter into a relationship with the full intention of staying together for life, thats married, paper and ceromony isnt required.

Thank you for your response, I respect your answer. Anyone else?

 

[savedandhappy1]

Tell you what, if you can show 100% of heterosexuals getting married in conservative Christian churches are being celibate until marriage your line of inquiry is appropriate.

When we stand before God it isn't going to matter if 25%, 50%, or 75% of people had pre-maritial sex or not. All that will matter is what we did, so what difference does it make what percent of heterosexuals or conservative Christians did or didn't do something?

Show me in the scriptures where it says if over 50% of people do ____________, then it isn't a sin.

Wouldn't it be like me saying I always eat with people who eat more then me so I don't have to count my calories, carbs, etc., because they won't hurt me as long as theirs is more.

Am I missing the point you were trying to make, because if I have understood it correctly.................well can you see how it doesn't make sense to use it. Sorry, and please forgive me, if I have not picked up on your meaning and it is different from what I understood.

 

[jamielindas]

So, are you saying you and your boyfriend are having sex with each other before marriage? In the gay christian world, is pre-marital sex (or for the sake of argument, pre-soulmate committment sex) not a sin? Just curious.

You know... if I were christian, I would totally think so. When I was christian (though still gay), I didn't have sex. It wasn't until I gave up on christianity that I started having sex (though that was NOT the reason).

I'm certainly not here to represent gay christians.

 

[jamielindas]

When we stand before God it isn't going to matter if 25%, 50%, or 75% of people had pre-maritial sex or not. All that will matter is what we did, so what difference does it make what percent of heterosexuals or conservative Christians did or didn't do something?

Show me in the scriptures where it says if over 50% of people do ____________, then it isn't a sin.

Wouldn't it be like me saying I always eat with people who eat more then me so I don't have to count my calories, carbs, etc., because they won't hurt me as long as theirs is more.

Am I missing the point you were trying to make, because if I have understood it correctly.................well can you see how it doesn't make sense to use it. Sorry, and please forgive me, if I have not picked up on your meaning and it is different from what I understood.

Though I totally agree with your logic savedandhappy1, I'm not sure that was the point Texas Lynn was trying to make.

You clearly understand the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum. Many people doing something doesn't make it wrong or right. Something must stand on its own merit.

I think she was making the point that not even all conservative christians believe it is wrong or a sin.

 

[DMagoh]

You know... if I were christian, I would totally think so. When I was christian (though still gay), I didn't have sex. It wasn't until I gave up on christianity that I started having sex (though that was NOT the reason).

I'm certainly not here to represent gay christians.

Since you have given up Christianity, then of course there is no such thing as 'sin' in your mind.

Though I must admit, I wonder why someone who doesnt believe there is such a thing as 'sin' would join a Christian forum and debate whether something was a sin or not. In your world, nothing is a 'sin'.

 

[jamielindas]

Since you have given up Christianity, then of course there is no such thing as 'sin' in your mind.

Though I must admit, I wonder why someone who doesnt believe there is such a thing as 'sin' would join a Christian forum and debate whether something was a sin or not. In your world, nothing is a 'sin'.

Diversity of opinion. I like to know what others thing and I think it's important that you folks hear what the other side thinks as well. I'm here to learn and help others learn by making sure we're all exposed to differing points of view.

Just because I don't believe in sin doesn't mean I don't think certain things are profoundly wrong.

Do you find my presence upsetting?

 

[jamielindas]

The conversation on this forum might be enlightening to those that feel the no sex before marriage thing is universal to all christians

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7259575