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So many can be of God...not just Christians in that sence...think about it...
Now that I typed that I have a feeling Ill get into trouble...ahh well...so be it.
I never saw that in theology rules over the past 5-6 months. I thought that in the previous rule change, under the previous site owner Erwin, the requirement that arguments be based on the Nicene Creed had been dropped. I joined CF after that happened, apparently, but several posters talked about this rule change and how controversial it was at the time. Now the forums have made another rule change back in the other direction, and it's also controversial.Debating from a Non-Nicene POV has been against Theology rules anyways..so nothing will really change around here..just if you post elsewhere things might be a little different..
And as God's Truth is written on all men's hearts, they all know of Truth, they just don't adhere to It.
...so any time people disagree about a doctrine one of them is right and one is in sin?
tulc(that doesn't sound right either)
Didn't say that either. I'll say the exact same thing I say when folks say we can agree to disagree: No we can't . Somebody is wrong and God is right. And if you're not aligned with God, you're wrong.
Homosexual fornication is just simple. As controversial as many try to make it, it ain't complicated. It is a sin because God says so, and no amount of word studies or unordained non-husband/wife marriage posturing will ever change this.
Its just the way things are. We don't have to like it. But I side with God knowng what is best whether we like it or not.
Didn't say that either.
So...not adhering to the "truth" you say we all have in our hearts isn't a sin?Many? If I'm not mistaken, the discussion is of doctrinal truth, not people.
And as God's Truth is written on all men's hearts, they all know of Truth, they just don't adhere to It.
...then you can be the one that's wrong in the discussion? Unless you are always in perfect alignment with God? By agreeing to disagree people are saying "As much as I know, this is true but being a fallible human I could well be wrong, maybe we just need to agree we wont know until we stand before the Lord?" Your view seems to be saying "Where we agree, you're right and where we disagree you're wrong."I'll say the exact same thing I say when folks say we can agree to disagree: No we can't . Somebody is wrong and God is right. And if you're not aligned with God, you're wrong.
in other words "I don't have to study any deeper then a superficial reading of the Bible to know I'm right and anyone who disagrees is in sin!"?Homosexual fornication is just simple. As controversial as many try to make it, it ain't complicated. It is a sin because God says so, and no amount of word studies or unordained non-husband/wife marriage posturing will ever change this.
Its just the way things are. We don't have to like it. But I side with God knowng what is best whether we like it or not.
Really?
So...not adhering to the "truth" you say we all have in our hearts isn't a sin?
...then you can be the one that's wrong in the discussion? Unless you are always in perfect alignment with God?
By agreeing to disagree people are saying "As much as I know, this is true but being a fallible human I could well be wrong, maybe we just need to agree we wont know until we stand before the Lord?" Your view seems to be saying "Where we agree, you're right and where we disagree you're wrong."
in other words "I don't have to study any deeper then a superficial reading of the Bible to know I'm right and anyone who disagrees is in sin!"?
tulc(wow, I don't think that's completely true)
...uhmmm yeah. I'm not seeing how that's a problem.Naah. yall just trying to be tolerant of everybody's viewpoint.
I agree.I'm simply notcalled to be tolerant of that which isn't aligned with God.
I agree with that. And since we don't agree you obviously are wrong.my view is saying God is right and where you disagree with the FULL COUNSEL of God's Word, you're wrong.
Here's an idea, all you people saying "YEAH CLOSE IT": Ahem. STOP POSTING.
As long as people here claim that homophobia is morally correct in a Christian context then I will stay and defend my religion. Homophobia and the prejudiced lifestyle is historically incompatible with the teachings of Jesus.faithlikenarock:
No, ahem, the issue for me is not homosexuality it is Christianity. As long as people here claim that homosexuality is morally correct in a Christian context then I will stay and defend my religion. Homosexuality and the gay lifestyle is historically incompatible for thousands of years in Judaism and Christianity, is incompatible with the teachings in the Bible,
is an objective moral disorder.
since when is telling the truth and confronting false witness with evidnce an attack?That is why we say close it. Because by being open, the folks on the moral side of the argument perceive a perpetual lie against our Lord and religion. As long as it is open we will continue to stay here and be attacked for defending our faith while the other side are being attacked for defending an objective moral disorder.
You see thats a lie. Thats the different gospel, Jesus Christ's NT teaching affirmed God's purpose is woman for man (ie Matt 19) and that same-sex sex is sin (ie. Romans 1, 1 Cor 6) It also says that Christians should not judge and disassociate from the sexually immoral in the world (1 Cor 5) but in the church. Now no true believer here hates or persecutes homosexuals except in knowing and saying same-sex sexual unions are error and wrong. Also with some of us we have gay and lesbian friends and love and serve them. The idea that is homophobia therefore is false testimony and a lie. Inded if that is the case homophobia is good when a homophobe gets out of bed in the night to help one of their gay and lesbian friends who has aksed for help.As long as people here claim that homophobia is morally correct in a Christian context then I will stay and defend my religion. Homophobia and the prejudiced lifestyle is historically incompatible with the teachings of Jesus.
The problem with this argument is that many Christians disagree with you about homosexuality. And to demand that a subforum be closed because you don't agree with other Christians on this issue is to cut off all dialogue and debate among Christians, based on your particular interpretation of your faith. That benefits no one, ultimately. Everyone loses the opportunity to share and discuss different Christian points of view.faithlikenarock:
No, ahem, the issue for me is not homosexuality it is Christianity. As long as people here claim that homosexuality is morally correct in a Christian context then I will stay and defend my religion. Homosexuality and the gay lifestyle is historically incompatible for thousands of years in Judaism and Christianity, is incompatible with the teachings in the Bible, is an objective moral disorder.
That is why we say close it. Because by being open, the folks on the moral side of the argument perceive a perpetual lie against our Lord and religion. As long as it is open we will continue to stay here and be attacked for defending our faith while the other side are being attacked for defending an objective moral disorder.
It's not a lie. Different Christians interpret the Bible differently. Someone else's understanding of the Bible is not a lie; it's just different from your understanding.You see thats a lie. Thats the different gospel, Jesus Christ's NT teaching affirmed God's purpose is woman for man (ie Matt 19) and that same-sex sex is sin (ie. Romans 1, 1 Cor 6) It also says that Christians should not judge and disassociate from the sexually immoral in the world (1 Cor 5) but in the church. Now no true believer here hates or persecutes homosexuals except in knowing and saying same-sex sexual unions are error and wrong. Also with some of us we have gay and lesbian friends and love and serve them. The idea that is homophobia therefore is false testimony and a lie. Inded if that is the case homophobia is good when a homophobe gets out of bed in the night to help one of their gay and lesbian friends who has aksed for help.
So true Christian believers dont see Jesus Christ as a homophobe, but some of those who dont believe do and falsely testify against true believers
Not everyone agrees with the Nicene Creed. But if the site owner wants to impose creedal orthodoxy on the posts here, that's up to him, as he owns the site. I think it's unfortunate, as people grow best by hearing all points of view. But he owns the site, and he gets to decide what people can and cannot post on his site.Good. The Nicene Creed is and always has been the most widely recognised base core statement of Christianity and sadly many claim to be Christian who deny it. This is a major problem for the church especially when some churches ordain non-believers, who of course have no true authority which comes form Christ.
What we must discern is the deception such as those, even bishops, who can say the Nicene Creed because it connects them with the past but in fact they dont say it because they believe it by their own admission.
Is this what God's word says is a form of worship without the power, lips that praise but hearts and lives far from God honouring God, rather dishonouring in sexual immorality and idolotry of pluralism
faithlikenarock:
No, ahem, the issue for me is not homosexuality it is Christianity. As long as people here claim that homosexuality is morally correct in a Christian context then I will stay and defend my religion. Homosexuality and the gay lifestyle is historically incompatible for thousands of years in Judaism and Christianity, is incompatible with the teachings in the Bible, is an objective moral disorder.
That is why we say close it. Because by being open, the folks on the moral side of the argument perceive a perpetual lie against our Lord and religion. As long as it is open we will continue to stay here and be attacked for defending our faith while the other side are being attacked for defending an objective moral disorder.
well it is a lie if Jesus Christ is the truth as I have demonstrated. Your argument is just your opinion not only with any evidence but based on disbelieving what the Bible says. It would help if you could address the Biblical evidence but you seem unwilling to even ackowldgethe Biblical evidence when presented to you, let alone respond.It's not a lie.
Thats just your opinion about my opinion, of no interest to me, I cant debate with you of you wont address the reasons I have with why I disagree, namely the Bible.I don't agree with your interpretation of the Bible when it comes to gay people.
indirectly of course they have, they are just objecting to the poster who quotes Jesus NT teaching which they think is homophobic.No one has called Jesus a "homophobe."
I couldnt care less what you think I am doing I am concerned about how I can serve Jesus Christ and account to Him.I honestly do not see you doing that.
Of course not, Non-Christians dont for a startNot everyone agrees with the Nicene Creed.
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