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Mavros · Jul 10, 2007

EvC forum is for debates and this forum was for creationism nonsense. My guestion is why exactly this section is now open to all members? Dont think creationist&id guys want actually debate here, thats why they left EvC forum

Melethiel · Jul 10, 2007

No, they don't want debate here. Please see the Theology rules wiki for guidelines.

Mavros · Jul 10, 2007

Melethiel said:
No, they don't want debate here. Please see the Theology rules wiki for guidelines.

Ok i dont mind that no debates here, but WHY we can post here now if we cant tell our opinion?

laptoppop · Jul 10, 2007

I've posted in the Theistic Evolution forum before -- when I had a friendly link that I thought would interest them about a particular person. For discussions (debates) theres always the EvC forum, or for theological discussions related to origins there's the forum one level up from this.

sparklecat · Jul 11, 2007

Mavros said:
Ok i dont mind that no debates here, but WHY we can post here now if we cant tell our opinion?

You can ask questions, for example.

FallingWaters · Jul 11, 2007

Mavros said:
...creationism nonsense. ...

This is the very reason why only Creationists were allowed in this forum.
We wanted a place where we could have a pleasant conversation.

FallingWaters · Jul 11, 2007

Melethiel said:
No, they don't want debate here. Please see the Theology rules wiki for guidelines.

I can't make heads or tails out of it.
It's too confusing.
Could someone put it in a nutshell for me...
with bullet points?

Melethiel · Jul 11, 2007

I'll give it a shot. (Mel makes mental note to streamline the rules)

- Over all of the Theology forums, debate is limited to Nicene-compliant topics.
- Flaming/harassing/personal sniping is not allowed.
- The Creationism forum is for discussion of Creationism only, not for creationism vs. evolution debate

laptoppop · Jul 11, 2007

I'll try....

Anyone can post anywhere
Areas can be limited as to topics.
The people in those areas get to hash out what the limits are.
Focus on the topics, not the people (no personal attacks)
Break the rules and you might be subject to a PM from a moderator and your post may be deleted
Mods have a tough job - trying to keep peace and keep discussions going without the same kind of "teeth" that they had before
If the problem is really really really really bad, you might be kicked out
Report, ignore and pray for obnoxious folks.

FallingWaters · Jul 12, 2007

Melethiel said:
I'll give it a shot. (Mel makes mental note to streamline the rules)

- Over all of the Theology forums, debate is limited to Nicene-compliant topics.
- Flaming/harassing/personal sniping is not allowed.
- The Creationism forum is for discussion of Creationism only, not for creationism vs. evolution debate

Thank you.
So does "creationism nonsense" from post number 1 break the
"Flaming/harassing/personal sniping is not allowed" rule?
Because that's just the kind of belittling I am sick and tired of.

Mavros · Jul 12, 2007

FallingWaters said:
Thank you.
So does "creationism nonsense" from post number 1 break the
"Flaming/harassing/personal sniping is not allowed" rule?
Because that's just the kind of belittling I am sick and tired of.

That word just slipped, sory if it insult. You are free create new thread in EvC forum to test which view is supported with evidence

Tyche · Jul 12, 2007

May I ask if I have interpreted the new rules correctly?

I am married to a Creationist. He is not very good at explaining his faith to me, a secular Humanist, and I really don't have a good background in his faith. He does not "believe" in the theory of evolution, and couldn't really tell me why (It was just wrong).

I joined these forums in order to understand better, and after some 2 years of reading I have realized that his objection to the theory of evolution is because he, as a Creationist, believes that death did not occur before the Fall.

You all could have answered me in a second if I had posted here first.

I can imagine that I may have questions (not debates) that it would be nice to ask more eloquent Creationists.

Thanks

BTW, married 16 years, 3 great kids, questions about our origins are an infinitesimal part of our marriage, but I am of an inquiring mind.

theIdi0t · Jul 12, 2007

Tyche said:
I can imagine that I may have questions (not debates) that it would be nice to ask more eloquent Creationists.

You will not find a better bread of Creationist anywhere else. I'll give that to them. Our regular creationist know as much about creationism as any creationist could know.

mark kennedy · Jul 12, 2007

Tyche said:
May I ask if I have interpreted the new rules correctly?

I am married to a Creationist. He is not very good at explaining his faith to me, a secular Humanist, and I really don't have a good background in his faith. He does not "believe" in the theory of evolution, and couldn't really tell me why (It was just wrong).

I joined these forums in order to understand better, and after some 2 years of reading I have realized that his objection to the theory of evolution is because he, as a Creationist, believes that death did not occur before the Fall.

You all could have answered me in a second if I had posted here first.

I can imagine that I may have questions (not debates) that it would be nice to ask more eloquent Creationists.

Thanks

BTW, married 16 years, 3 great kids, questions about our origins are an infinitesimal part of our marriage, but I am of an inquiring mind.

I have something that might help you understand it a little better. It's first of all doctrinal, particularly with regards to sin and the consequences of sin as taught in the New Testament.

I hope this helps a little.

Creationist Resources

FallingWaters · Jul 12, 2007

Mavros said:
That word just slipped, sory if it insult. You are free create new thread in EvC forum to test which view is supported with evidence

You can't help yourself, can you?
Even when you're apologizing you're condescending.

The Creationist view is not only supported by the evidence, it is supported by the Word of God.
When the end of the world comes,
and every knee bows,
and every tongue confesses the Jesus Christ is LORD
to the glory of God the Father,
then we'll see who saw the truth.

You're wearing the wrong glasses.

Mavros · Jul 12, 2007

FallingWaters said:
The Creationist view is not only supported by the evidence, it is supported by the Word of God.

Great! Now please start thread in EvC forum so we can look at your evidence

shernren · Jul 13, 2007

Question to creationists: is "asking for evidence" an insult, or a friendly question? Or does it have to be determined case-by-case? Better get that ironed out.

FallingWaters · Jul 13, 2007

Mavros said:
Great! Now please start thread in EvC forum so we can look at your evidence

The evidence is the evidence.
It's how it's understood and interpreted that is different.
I am not going to engage in a discussion with you.

Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Hebrews 11:6

busterdog · Jul 13, 2007

FallingWaters said:
The evidence is the evidence.
It's how it's understood and interpreted that is different.
I am not going to engage in a discussion with you.

Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Hebrews 11:6

Right. That's just who we are. No need to post evidence. We already know how that ends.

busterdog · Jul 13, 2007

Tyche said:
May I ask if I have interpreted the new rules correctly?

I am married to a Creationist. He is not very good at explaining his faith to me, a secular Humanist, and I really don't have a good background in his faith. He does not "believe" in the theory of evolution, and couldn't really tell me why (It was just wrong).

I joined these forums in order to understand better, and after some 2 years of reading I have realized that his objection to the theory of evolution is because he, as a Creationist, believes that death did not occur before the Fall.

You all could have answered me in a second if I had posted here first.

I can imagine that I may have questions (not debates) that it would be nice to ask more eloquent Creationists.

Thanks

BTW, married 16 years, 3 great kids, questions about our origins are an infinitesimal part of our marriage, but I am of an inquiring mind.

If I may, that seems to be to be a real, honest question, not bait for an argument. I appreciate your attitude. If I have understood you rightly, where would you like to start?

(And yes indeed, I am articulate. Not necessarily knowledgeable, but articulate, sometimes even eloquent.)

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