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so you know more than the pope?

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Theres a lot of people here who think they know everything about the Bible. so i looked up the pope and found this and i want to know who knows as much as he does,


From 1946 to 1951 he studied philosophy and theology in the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology of Freising and at the University of Munich.

He received his priestly ordination on 29 June 1951.

A year later he began teaching at the Higher School of Freising.

In 1953 he obtained his doctorate in theology with a thesis entitled "People and House of God in St Augustine’s Doctrine of the Church".

Four years later, under the direction of the renowned professor of fundamental theology Gottlieb Söhngen, he qualified for University teaching with a dissertation on: "The Theology of History in St Bonaventure".

After lecturing on dogmatic and fundamental theology at the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology in Freising, he went on to teach at Bonn, from 1959 to1963; at Münster from 1963 to 1966 and at Tübingen from 1966 to 1969. During this last year he held the Chair of dogmatics and history of dogma at the University of Regensburg, where he was also Vice-President of the University.

From 1962 to 1965 he made a notable contribution to Vatican II as an "expert"; being present at the Council as theological advisor of Cardinal Joseph Frings, Archbishop of Cologne.

His intense scientific activity led him to important positions at the service of the German Bishops’ Conference and the International Theological Commission.

In 1972 together with Hans Urs von Balthasar, Henri de Lubac and other important theologians, he initiated the theological journal "Communio".

On 25 March 1977 Pope Paul VI named him Archbishop of Munich and Freising. On 28 May of the same year he received episcopal ordination. He was the first Diocesan priest for 80 years to take on the pastoral governance of the great Bavarian Archdiocese. He chose as his episcopal motto: "Cooperators of the truth". He himself explained why: "On the one hand I saw it as the relation between my previous task as professor and my new mission. In spite of different approaches, what was involved, and continued to be so, was following the truth and being at its service. On the other hand I chose that motto because in today’s world the theme of truth is omitted almost entirely, as something too great for man, and yet everything collapses if truth is missing".

Paul VI made him a Cardinal with the priestly title of "Santa Maria Consolatrice al Tiburtino", during the Consistory of 27 June of the same year.

In 1978 he took part in the Conclave of 25 and 26 August which elected John Paul I, who named him his Special Envoy to the III International Mariological Congress, celebrated in Guayaquil (Ecuador) from 16 to 24 September. In the month of October of the same year he took part in the Conclave that elected Pope John Paul II.

He was Relator of the V Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops which took place in 1980 on the theme: "Mission of the Christian Family in the world of today", and was Delegate President of the VI Ordinary General Assembly of 1983 on "Reconciliation and Penance in the mission of the Church".

John Paul II named him Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and President of the Pontifical Biblical Commission and of the International Theological Commission on 25 November 1981. On 15 February 1982 he resigned the pastoral governance of the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising. The Holy Father elevated him to the Order of Bishops assigning to him the Suburbicarian See of Velletri-Segni on 5 April 1993.

He was President of the Preparatory Commission for the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which after six years of work (1986-1992) presented the new Catechism to the Holy Father.

On 6 November 1998 the Holy Father approved the election of Cardinal Ratzinger as Vice-Dean of the College of Cardinals, submitted by the Cardinals of the Order of Bishops. On 30 November 2002 he approved his election as Dean; together with this office he was entrusted with the Suburbicarian See of Ostia.

In 1999 he was Special Papal Envoy for the Celebration of the XII Centenary of the foundation of the Diocese of Paderborn, Germany which took place on 3 January.

Since 13 November 2000 he has been an Honorary Academic of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

In the Roman Curia he has been a member of the Council of the Secretariat of State for Relations with States; of the Congregations for the Oriental Churches, for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, for Bishops, for the Evangelization of Peoples, for Catholic Education, for Clergy and for the Causes of the Saints; of the Pontifical Councils for Promoting Christian Unity, and for Culture; of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, and of the Pontifical Commissions for Latin America, "Ecclesia Dei", for the Authentic Interpretation of the Code of Canon Law, and for the Revision of the Code of Canon Law of the Oriental Churches.

Among his many publications special mention should be made of his "Introduction to Christianity", a compilation of University lectures on the Apostolic Creed published in 1968; "Dogma and Preaching" (1973) an anthology of essays, sermons and reflections dedicated to pastoral arguments.

His address to the Catholic Academy of Bavaria on "Why I am still in the Church" had a wide resonance; in it he stated with his usual clarity: "one can only be a Christian in the Church, not beside the Church".

His many publications are spread out over a number of years and constitute a point of reference for many people specially for those interested in entering deeper into the study of theology. In 1985 he published his interview-book on the situation of the faith (The Ratzinger Report) and in 1996 "Salt of the Earth". On the occasion of his 70th birthday the volume "At the School of Truth" was published, containing articles by several authors on different aspects of his personality and production.

He has received numerous "Honoris Causa" Doctorates, in 1984 from the College of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota; in 1986 from the Catholic University of Lima; in 1987 from the Catholic University of Eichstätt; in 1988 from the Catholic University of Lublin; in 1998 from the University of Navarre; in 1999 from the LUMSA (Libera Università Maria Santissima Assunta) of Rome and in 2000 from the Faculty of Theology of the University of Wrocław in Poland.
 

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Ave-Maria,

I am not a Catholic nor am I of any denomination; I'm just a Christian.

I just wanted to say that I don't like to see people post threads that openly challenge the Catholic faith, the Pope, or the Church. It is in poor taste for any Christian to do that, and it reveals his/her lack of the Father's love.

What needs to happen; as I'm sure it will, is that like-minded Christians need to come to the defense of the Catholics when they see one of those sarcastic threads. The Catholics would accomplish a great deal if they completely ignored those threads. The person writing them does not care what you tell him - he wants you to be on the defense and explain yourself.

Anyway, I guess I wanted to let you know that I and most posters I know would not do that.

Be blessed today, in Jesus name.
 
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Ave-Maria,

I am not a Catholic nor am I of any denomination; I'm just a Christian.

I just wanted to say that I don't like to see people post threads that openly challenge the Catholic faith, the Pope, or the Church. It is in poor taste for any Christian to do that, and it reveals his/her lack of the Father's love.

What needs to happen; as I'm sure it will, is that like-minded Christians need to come to the defense of the Catholics when they see one of those sarcastic threads. The Catholics would accomplish a great deal if they completely ignored those threads. The person writing them does not care what you tell him - he wants you to be on the defense and explain yourself.

Anyway, I guess I wanted to let you know that I and most posters I know would not do that.

Be blessed today, in Jesus name.


That was nice. thank you. i know that different people believe different stuff. it just bothers me when some people stick their fingers in their ear and just talk talk talk and never listen to any answer. theres a lot of people doing that
 
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Sad sad world when we look to man for salvation.


speak for yourself. i look to Jesus.

se what i mean singpeace? this guy just did it. he said what was in his head and not anything that I said. thats whats sad

so 98cwitr can you post the schools you went to?
 
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why did Jesus choose apostles? just so people like you can ignore them?

To spread the Gospel.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account.

is that part in your messed up Bible?

Why do you keep calling the Bible "messed up?"

I acknowledge no leader aside from God. This was our first mistake (see 1 Samuel 8).
 
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because you don't have the right books in it. don't you know that?

and i am still waiting to see how you know more than the pope. thats the title of my thread. if you don't then keep steppin

Which are the right books? Which ones is my Bible missing? Does my Bible contain any falsehood in it's current form?
 
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because you don't have the right books in it. don't you know that?

and i am still waiting to see how you know more than the pope. thats the title of my thread. if you don't then keep steppin

Well spiritual things are spiritually discerned. IOW, you don't have to be highly educated to be highly educated in the Word. Christ took fisherman and made them spiritual scholars.

So in reality, the Popes credentials don't really amount to much if he isn't being led by the Spirit.
 
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you are ignoring my question.

I'll wait for the answer. anything else, talk to the hand

You asked: "...dont you know that?"

My answer: No, please elaborate.

OP question: "so you know more than the pope?"

My answer: I don't know.
 
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You asked: "...dont you know that?"

My answer: No, please elaborate.

You probably know this, but she is referring to the Deteurocanon. The Reformers removed them during the Reformation. Apparently we're not supposed to take away from the word of God, yet the Reformers did it anyway. Quite ironic, considering the whole idea of Sola Scriptura.

The removal of the Deteurocanon was/is justified by saying the Jews rejected the works, or that they weren't in Hebrew. To that, I have two responses.

1. They were rejected after the founding of Christianity. Why people would use the reasoning of the group that rejected Christ I have no idea. We aren't Jews. We are Christian.

2. Since when did everything have to be in Hebrew? It's not some magical holy language.
 
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You probably know this, but she is referring to the Deteurocanon. The Reformers removed them during the Reformation. Apparently we're not supposed to take away from the word of God, yet the Reformers did it anyway. Quite ironic, considering the whole idea of Sola Scriptura.

The removal of the Deteurocanon was/is justified by saying the Jews rejected the works, or that they weren't in Hebrew. To that, I have two responses.

1. They were rejected after the founding of Christianity. Why people would use the reasoning of the group that rejected Christ I have no idea. We aren't Jews. We are Christian.

2. Since when did everything have to be in Hebrew? It's not some magical holy language.

I am not in any disagreement with any of the above. God forgive us. My question still stands then, is anything in my Bible "messed up?"
 
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Well spiritual things are spiritually discerned. IOW, you don't have to be highly educated to be highly educated in the Word. Christ took fisherman and made them spiritual scholars.

So in reality, the Popes credentials don't really amount to much if he isn't being led by the Spirit.

In the other threads i dont see anyone saying the spirit tells me this or the spirit tells me that. they are saying "the bible says this" and "the bible says that". that is about studying so i am trying to find out who has studied more than the pope. i think i got my answer already, nobody!!!!!!!!!
 
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I am not in any disagreement with any of the above. God forgive us. My question still stands then, is anything in my Bible "messed up?"

I am assuming you do not accept the Deteurocanon. If your Bible only has 66 books, that is what she is referring to.
 
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If Jesus is enough for you, then why all the clergy?


I wonder why the Corinthians didn't say the same thing to St. Paul?

lol


Why all the clergy?? I ask you, why all the apostles then?

nice one, basically contradicting the office of the 12 apostles and the 70 disciples and Jesus command to go and preach to the ends of the world.
 
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I am not in any disagreement with any of the above. God forgive us. My question still stands then, is anything in my Bible "messed up?"


well since you consider the Pope and the bishops as men who have no bearing in the Church, what they promulgated it in the Council of Carthage and Hippo must have no bearing either, and hence you basically say that your New Testament Canon has no validity, since it was promulgated by those same bishops and Popes you decry.

If you wanna attack the Church as people who "look to men for salvation", by all means, but please, stop using our councils, NT canon, and patristic tools regarding things like the Trinity. Deal?


Well spiritual things are spiritually discerned. IOW, you don't have to be highly educated to be highly educated in the Word. Christ took fisherman and made them spiritual scholars.

So in reality, the Popes credentials don't really amount to much if he isn't being led by the Spirit.
There is no chance he would have been Pope if he was not led by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit directs and guides conclave. In fact you cannot be Catholic or even assent to faith in Christ unless you are guided and invigorated by the Holy Spirit. One cannot say Christ is God except by the Spirit.
 
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