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so you know more than the pope?

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Meepy

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The Crusades were a defensive measure against the Muslim takeover. And essentially the Crusades were sparked by the Seljuk Turks when the desecrated christian lands. Without the crusades Europe would have been taken over by the Muslims.

Priest molesting children is awful. But is happens in all other religious groups. Its just the media doesn't air those and only airs the Catholic Church's because they are the biggest target.

Lastly the Church is not subject to temporal civil law. It is its own entity with its own system. As far as "forget your false beliefs" that is just your view on what you think is false and the same could be said regarding protestant 'false beliefs'.


When it comes to God and His ways? of course.
I cannot believe the amount of arrogance that permeates from blind assumption. It really is a bad habit humanity gets into because of pride.
 
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1st) What books on eschatology has he written? I've been trying to find out what your church teaches for the longest on end time events and can't find anything other then "Jesus comes back and that's it". I'd be interested in looking it over.
When I first believed in Jesus, I was eschat-obsessed, what's the deal? People concern themselves so much with that stuff instead of just having faith in Jesus and living in the present, ready to accept the future as it comes regardless of how or when it comes.
 
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There are many theologians that have quite an impressive curriculum vitae that matches and exceeds that of the pope. And yet they still disagree with each other. I am not sure what your point here is.
 
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Lastly the Church is not subject to temporal civil law. It is its own entity with its own system.

Ironic that in this same post you mentioned arrogance and pride.

Shameful that the Vatican is it's own entity, with it's own system, that leaves it out of reach of civil justice; but that comes nowhere near close to making your statement here true. You would think that both the RCC AND RC's would have learned this by now??
 
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I think we all already learned with King Henry VIII when he tried to make the Church subject to his temporal civil power. Which later led to the dissolution of monasteries, the 30 Years war, the pilgrimage of Grace rebellion, and an enormous persecution.

God's laws should be put under human man made civil laws? Where the spiritual is put under the laws of the temporal? Which basically says that human civil laws are above that of God's laws. Now that is quite prideful.

The Church is its own spiritual entity subject to only God, not civil power.
 
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I'm am of no belief accept that of the Bible and represent no one church, only my master Jesus
 
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I'm am of no belief accept that of the Bible and represent no one church, only my master Jesus

Ya don't want to "disown" Him

2 Peter 2:1 There became yet also False Prophets in the people, as also in ye shall be FalseTeachers, whoany shall be carrying in sects of destruction.
And the One buying them, Owner/Master/despothn <1203>, disowning, bringing on them swift destruction.
[Matt 24:11/Jude 1:4]

Reve 6:10 And they cry out to a great voice saying "how long, the Owner/Master/despothV <1203> the Holy and True, not Thou are judging and avenging the blood of us from out of the ones homing upon the land?"

Strong's Number G1203 matches the Greek &#948;&#949;&#963;&#960;&#8057;&#964;&#951;&#962; (despot&#275;s), which occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
1203. despotes des-pot'-ace perhaps from 1210 and posis (a husband); an absolute ruler ("despot"):--Lord, master.
 
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The Holy crusades Contradicts Peters teaching and its plain to see. God told peter to lay down his sword and he did. The crusaders did not follow Peter at all. The dome of the rock sitting on top of that Holy place in Jerusalem contradicts your defense measure philosophy. The dome sitting on that site has the words "God has no Son" encircling it. The crusaders didn't do a very good job I think. God says not to make war but peace instead, however HE knows that men are evil and will make war anyways, He may use them for His purpose but the Crusades was Not a Holy cause at all.

Molestring children, burning witches, unholy crusades, and many other things contradicts God and His Word and His servant Peter who's better than any Pope i must think.

Some popes are Good servants to God i think, some are not such good servants also i must think. So yes i know more than the pope sometimes concerning a couple things maybe, depending on which pope we're talking about. False beliefs will come crashing down one day just like the Holy Temple the Jews thought wouldn't come crashing down either, but it did.

Trust in the Lord Jesus friend, That's Gods will. We all get it wrong sometimes my friend in Jesus, thats what Gods Grace is for, just lean on His Grace and all will be well regardless of what we believe.
 
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And the pope is THE prime expmple of that.

Out of curiosity, how many of his writings have you read, both when he was Cardinal Ratzinger and in the last few years that he's been Pope?

I ask, because frankly this statement of yours sounds like blind judgment.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Did my previous question of why does the pope sit on a throne get answered? If it has, please tell me the number of the post(s). Thank you.
What do you and others make of Reve 2:13

Matthew 23:2 saying "upon the Seat of Moses are seated the Scribes and the Pharisees

Reve 2:13 I am aware of the works of thee and where thou are dwelling, the-where the Throne of the Satan and thou are holding the Name of Me and not disown the faith of Me,
even in the days in which Antipas, the witness of Me the faithful, who was killed beside ye the-where the Satan is dwelling.
 
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I don't know. Hm... do you think the pope fits these descriptions?
 
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Let's not forget the sale of indulgences that Luther was so opposed to! I have yet to understand how such corruption could come upon a people.
 
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I don't know. Hm... do you think the pope fits these descriptions?
There have been a lot of Popes down thru the centuries.....so I would answer no
Check out Matt 23......
 
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I think you are using a false parallel regarding Peter and Malchus. The takeover of Islam was a threat to the christian peace and solidarity among the peoples in Europe. If you want an example, take a look at what happened in Byzantium. The crusaders weren't able to fully defend the area and it was taken over by Islam, in which the eastern Christians were forced to pay the submission tax and have their religious liberty and human rights hampered.

God is not against war for self defense or divine conquest like in the OT. The Hebrews had to go to war against the Pagans to take over the promised land. Look at the war conquests of Joshua, Gideon, Barak, Omri, Samson, King David, and Judas Maccabees.

While war in all cases should be seen as a last resort and every angle used to prevent it. I'd say 99% of all cases war can be avoided. Sometimes in certain cases Just war is needed to protect the peoples..
 
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All right. Thank you for answering my question.
I would hope and pray that the Pope and his Denomination would study more on the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation so they will not have to spend so much time defending themselves against the views of some sects/Denoms within Christianity indentifying the Pope/Papacy as being "antichrist" in Revelation.
Just my most humble opinion

http://www.christianforums.com/t6814752-85/#post43249406
Martin Luther identifies the Antichrist over 500 years ago!
 
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And amen
 
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