So where are the WMD's anyhow?

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I don't see much mention of Saddam's supposed WMD anymore, despite the fact that our troops are still dying over there in a war. A war that was justified by "secret intelligence" proving Saddam had an advanced weapons program.

So, what happened? Is this simply another topic (like Osama Bin Laden) that will no longer be voiced by this administration? Are we just going to pretend that we went over there solely for the good of the Iraqi people?
 

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There's supposed to be some sort of report released by the Bush administration about the hunt for the WMD, from what I've heard it's supposed to talk about the possibility of a potential program of WMD in Iraq. So in other words expect your local media outlets to go over the report in great detail and declare in 72 point font that indeed the possibilty of a potential program did exsist in Iraq, and the war was justified.

After the release of that report expect the American public, or at least 70% of the public to believe actual WMD were found in Iraq.

Editted to add, I stand corrected, the report has been delayed, apparently for lack of evidence.
 
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from what I've heard it's supposed to talk about the possibility of a potential program of WMD in Iraq.
And I bet that is just as valid as that uranium from Nigeria :D

WMD's never existed, unless you want to count OIL. That it itself seems to be a WMD, look at the destruction caused by people who want it. :(
 
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David Gould said:
"How long after Germany was occupied?" is a question of more relevance, methinks.
No, not at all. The quesiton still remains as the germans stopped fighting around that time, the people in Iraq have not. Its a very different situation, so again, how long after the war started did we find those camps? Now, considering WMD can be dismantled, buried, or taken out of the country pretty easily, we see that this is not a cut and dry issue that all the liberals make it out to be. I think its funny how the McDonald's drive through has impacted you so much that you have to have everything instananously or you whine and cry about it.
 
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I don't believe he had WMD because Bush claims that they were getting uranium from Nigeria, which is an outright lie. Nigeria barely has enough uranium to do such a thing. Sad part is, this was known well before, but it is only becoming an issue in America now. Everyone seems to have their own agenda to fill, and only wait till later to release such information. :(
 
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No, not at all. The quesiton still remains as the germans stopped fighting around that time, the people in Iraq have not. Its a very different situation, so again, how long after the war started did we find those camps? Now, considering WMD can be dismantled, buried, or taken out of the country pretty easily, we see that this is not a cut and dry issue that all the liberals make it out to be. I think its funny how the McDonald's drive through has impacted you so much that you have to have everything instananously or you whine and cry about it.
considering the amount of "evidence" they were supposed to have before the war, they should be pretty easy to find. but then all this "evidence" was things like aluminium tubes that couldn't be used for uranium enrichment and so on and "what a bloke down the pub said"
 
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Outspoken said:
No, not at all. The quesiton still remains as the germans stopped fighting around that time, the people in Iraq have not. Its a very different situation, so again, how long after the war started did we find those camps?
The allies found them while the war was still going, on their march to Berlin. It's kinda hard to hide or disguise a concentration camp, you know.
 
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Jet Black said:
considering the amount of "evidence" they were supposed to have before the war, they should be pretty easy to find. but then all this "evidence" was things like aluminium tubes that couldn't be used for uranium enrichment and so on and "what a bloke down the pub said"


Okay, now you're just not thinking at all. There are groups of people killing our soldiers and they can't even be found. They didn't quickly find several of the top ranking people that were very easy to id. Give me a break, use your head here. Its not easy to find something when people have time to hide, dispose or ship.
 
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It's not a matter of them being dismantled and moved out. Don't be ridiculous. The UNSCOM team oversaw the destruction of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons stocks and the means of producing them, for seven years. Then, after that, the UN-imposed sanctions kept a pretty strict eye on everything going in and out of the place. It would have been ridiculously difficult for them to have reconstituted their weapons programme in the few years between the US getting the inspectors kicked out and the accusations being made. It would have been ridiculously difficult again for Iraq to hide any such things from the second batch of UN weapons inspectors, even taking into account the US pulling them out before they had been able to properly do their job.

And if there had been any chemical or biological weapons (nuclear was never even a question) in Iraq that the UNSCOM inspectors had missed, none of the weapons have a shelf life of over five years. It would all be useless sludge by now, even if any of it actually existed.

This is not like the German death camps, where there was at least some evidence in support of their existence between the searches began. This is one country, the US, saying for no good reason, "Iraq has weapons, and if they don't disarm, we're invading." Iraq says, "We can't disarm if we're not armed. Send in inspectors to verify." The US doesn't go along with the inspections, and invades anyway. After the invasion began, all talk of disarmament ceased and talk of the liberation of the Iraqi people began. Then, when the invasion had ended, the US government had tricked the US people into believing it was a success, because liberation was achieved and disarmament was forgotten.

And it's ultimately good for Iraq, if the US does manage to keep it under control and set up a local policing body, as it is required to under international law. The Iraqi people will ultimately win out, I think. But the rest of the world has to live with the consequences of the US outright saying, "We don't care about international law, we don't care about due process, we don't even care about having real reasons to invade countries. We'll do it, ignore what everyone says, trick our stupefied population into supporting us, and what can you do about it?"
 
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Its not easy to find something when people have time to hide, dispose or ship.
WMD leave a heck of a trail, they are not easy to hide, dispose of or ship. particularly when talking about the kind of sophisticated battlefield ready stuff that Bush alleges they had. The best thing saddam could have done would be to have intentionally started a WMD program, delcared it, and then get let off.
 
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Goldstein said:
The allies found them while the war was still going, on their march to Berlin. It's kinda hard to hide or disguise a concentration camp, you know.
I'm not so sure about that. It seems with all that air recon or intellegence we had we didn't find them or know anything about it through the course of the war. Seems they did a great job to hiding them and it was only after they had left that we stumbled upon them by accident. IE-they were no longer activily trying to hide them and we stumbled upon them by blind luck. The difference is the wmd are probably still activily trying to be hid, and we aren't lucky enough to blindly stumble on them this time. We have to keep searching.
 
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Jet Black said:
WMD leave a heck of a trail, they are not easy to hide, dispose of or ship. particularly when talking about the kind of sophisticated battlefield ready stuff that Bush alleges they had. The best thing saddam could have done would be to have intentionally started a WMD program, delcared it, and then get let off.
yeah, they say that about drugs and arms shipments too, but it seems we can never seem to do that either.
 
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