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Perhaps that pittance I throw in the plate and the miniscule prayers I say help in some small way. In the way that a subatomic particle contributes to an atom which contributes to a molecule which contributes to a cell which contributes to an organ which contributes to a body. Not even noticeable.
WarriorAngel said:Fr. Seraphim Rose was an Eastern Orthodox who was formerly gay - ie - he no longer saw himself as gay - but as a Christian. He became a Saint of the EO.
JUST as you could become a Saint of CC...if you want to.
You insist forcibly that they remain as homosexuals and not humans who are Christian and God centered.
I suggest i dont have the issue - it seems you want them to hold onto labels such as homosexual rather than letting them just be saints..
I think it is a shame that our culture wants people to who are same sex attracted to define who they are as people based upon that one facet of their life. .
Matthew was no longer a tax collector - he became an Apostle.
The publicans became disciples.
Fr. Seraphim Rose was an Eastern Orthodox who was formerly gay - ie - he no longer saw himself as gay - but as a Christian. He became a Saint of the EO.
JUST as you could become a Saint of CC...if you want to.
I don't know what point y'all think you are proving, but the idea that you aren't as thoroughly steeped in your own gender-identity as anyone else, is simply evidence that you think a gay person is "abnormal" because your are so wedded to your own you don't even think about it.
It is not abnormal inasmuch as we are all drawn to sin; however, same sex attraction is a disordered passion that is a result of the Fall, and therefore must be worked against. That's it. As for your comparison to heterosexual identity, heterosexual attraction is not disordered, though acting on it can be, therein lies the difference. If someone based their identity on how many women they could pick up, I would find that sad, as well, because much of that person's identity would be based upon a sinful inclination. Again, through our union with Christ we can escape the corruption that is in the world. That is the very root of the Gospel message; sanctification and union with God where there once was separation.
He struggles with same sex attraction...Bene, stop talking to me like I'm an idiot kid. My godson, my brother-in-law, struggles with same sex attraction. I have had many late might conversations with the kid (he's 19). He's cried on my shoulder and I have been an open ear many times, and I pray he continues to feel comfortable talking to me throughout his life. I love him and hate to see him struggle.
As for denying who you are, I refuse to identify someone based upon their temptations. No one is gay because they are tempted, no one is an adulterer because they are tempted, no one is a murderer because they are tempted, no one is a drunkard because they are tempted. If we fall, we get up again... Denying ourselves and our disordered passions, it's what we are called to do.
Luke 9:23
And he said to all: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
This sounds good, but it's a load of hypocritical tripe. Just try suggesting Saint Paul was gay or Saint Francis was. Hey, Jesus could have been gay from what you both said.
We all define ourselves PRIMARILY by our gender orientation. Want to make a straight guy mad? Attack his masculinity. Want to sell your product to a woman? Suggest it makes her more feminine and desirable ... to men.
I don't know what point y'all think you are proving, but the idea that you aren't as thoroughly steeped in your own gender-identity as anyone else, is simply evidence that you think a gay person is "abnormal" because your are so wedded to your own you don't even think about it.
You don't have to.
No one wants to kill you for being straight. No one has long contentious stupid threads in Christian forums about being straight.
If what you said were true, the Church wouldn't have special teachings about homosexuality. It defined Sacramental marriage and chastity, what more needs to be said? Love one another. Jesus said that a long time ago.
Did we need something else? I guess we do. We need it not because there is something wrong with gay folks, but because we are all so intrinsically disordered we can't figure out what Jesus meant by those three simple words: "Love one another."
Just look at "Warrior Angel's" sig cartoon - just can't live without labeling people. Protesters are all --- what? Worthless lazy welfare bums? Easier than understanding the issue or speaking to some, or reading a few bills that have passed or watching something that explains the recession in terms of the volume of money that was withdrawn from circulation by the big banks they are protesting against.
Let's just slap a label on some folks and decide we are the good guys and they are the bad guys. So pretending in the same post that gee, gosh, golly, why do we have to be confronted with the icky gayness, just be a Christian and DON'T TELL = serious hypocrisy ITT.
It is not abnormal inasmuch as we are all drawn to sin; however, same sex attraction is a disordered passion that is a result of the Fall, and therefore must be worked against. That's it. As for your comparison to heterosexual identity, heterosexual attraction is not disordered, though acting on it can be, therein lies the difference. If someone based their identity on how many women they could pick up, I would find that sad, as well, because much of that person's identity would be based upon a sinful inclination. Again, through our union with Christ we can escape the corruption that is in the world. That is the very root of the Gospel message; sanctification and union with God where there once was separation.
No such thing as a Saint "of EO" or "of RCC." There are no denominations, or genders for that matter, in Heaven.
They are not attracted to the opposite sex. Their struggle is having us accept this. The struggle is not fighting their attractions, but remaining celibate.
I think you re just splitting hairs here. They are gay. Period. They are gay and they do not have to hide it. We have to stop thinking to be gay in society is to be the anti Christ.
some formerly married heterosexual men now identify as homosexual, and vice-versa.
Being gay is no more a sinful inclination than being straight is. Straight people want to have sex regardless of their marital status. But deciding to choose chastity in and out of marriage doesn't make them not heterosexual. And being attracted to someone sexually isn't all that makes one heterosexual, it's also about the kind of person you form your primary emotional bond with. Being straight means you usually do that with someone of the opposite sex.I'm not splitting hairs, I just feel it is not right to tie someone that closely to a sinful inclination.
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