So what's the US doing?

[renniks]

Do you realize you have also an army? Quite a big one and quite an expensive one. Do you think that some amateur hunters are better?

Do you realize you are also in NATO, so that if somebody attacks you, the vast majority of the European Union, Canada etc are coming to help you?

Do you realize you have nuclear weapons and military bases and stations all around the globe?

Hunters are no significant deterrent in the context of this century, I am sorry. Maybe in the 19th century, but not later. I doubt your hypothetical foreign enemy even noticed their existence.
4,000 nuclear warheads and the power to destroy our planet in few minutes is a bit more noticeable.

If anyone uses nukes it all over regardless. I don't think you are really paying attention to what is happening in the Ukraine. Their government gave 18000 assault rifles to civilians.

People regret not getting guns and training earlier.

"I’d never held a gun in my hands till February 2022. My wife and I had several hours of training just to figure out what to do with it. Just in case. And now I regret like hell that I didn’t do that training before.

Oleksandr Mykhed, “Letter from Ukraine: the language of war,” Financial Times (London), March 4, 2022.

I'm pretty sure Russia has noticed the existence of armed civilians.

 

[Bradskii]

It's already a fact in some areas of the country and has been for years. No one is claiming that we should force teachers to carry guns... but many already have training and already are equipped.

So someone has two job offers. One in Texas and one in Sydney. The parents check out schools.

'And what sort of security do you have?'
'Well, we have Pamela stationed at the pedestrian crossing when the school opens and closes. Is that what you mean?

'And what sort of security do you have'.
'Well, the perimeter has an 8 foot wall topped with razor wire. There is only one entrance to the school via a metal detector. All windows are barred and have bullet proof glass. We run weekly exercises when the children act out what they need to do in then case of an armed intruder accessing their classroom. Most of the teachers are armed but of course we can't tell you which ones. And each classroom has medical pressure pads and bandages and we keep a supply of saline drips and plasma on site. There is an emergency button on each teacher's desk which is wired directly to the local swat team. Rest assured
your child will probably be safe here.

Guess which one the family chooses.

 

[rturner76]

It's already a fact in some areas of the country and has been for years. No one is claiming that we should force teachers to carry guns... but many already have training and already are equipped.

Great, more guns in schools. Must be safe.

 

[RDKirk]

If anyone uses nukes it all over regardless. I don't think you are really paying attention to what is happening in the Ukraine. Their government gave 18000 assault rifles to civilians.

People regret not getting guns and training earlier.

"I’d never held a gun in my hands till February 2022. My wife and I had several hours of training just to figure out what to do with it. Just in case. And now I regret like hell that I didn’t do that training before.

Oleksandr Mykhed, “Letter from Ukraine: the language of war,” Financial Times (London), March 4, 2022.

I'm pretty sure Russia has noticed the existence of armed civilians.

That's actually just an argument for a Swiss-style system.

And the Ukrainian civilians put into service now are only effective because they are literally part of a well-regulated militia of their government.

Whereas most of the people we're talking about in the US explicitly intend not to be part of a well-regulated militia of the government, but intend to be an un-herdable bunch of cats.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Joe Biden says mass shootings rarely happen outside the US. What have other countries done that America hasn't?
ABC News -2 June 2022


Here's what some other countries have done in response to some of the most significant mass shootings outside the US over the last three decades:

• New Zealand banned semi-automatic weapons straight away
• Norway enacted a similar ban (but not as quickly)
• It took Australia just days to act on a plan
• The UK government ordered an inquiry (and accepted its recommendations)
• Canada has just introduced legislation to limit handgun sales

So what’s the US doing?..........

.......thoughts & prayers​

Source:
Joe Biden says mass shootings rarely happen outside the US. What have other countries done that America hasn't? - ABC News

OB

I mean, don't forget that America is also currently sliding backward into being a third world nation and slowly dying from the inside out.

Stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[RDKirk]

I mean, don't forget that America is also currently sliding backward into being a third world nation and slowly dying from the inside out.

Stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni.

-CryptoLutheran

My wife mentioned that the other day. Getting a reliable flight in the US these days is as bad as getting a reliable flight in some of the Third World countries we've lived in.

 

[trophy33]

I don't think you are really paying attention to what is happening in the Ukraine. Their government gave 18000 assault rifles to civilians.

If you really think that this is what decides wars, then I do not know what to say more. Sorry, it seems to me you have no idea what is going on in Ukraine:
List of foreign aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

The idea that any country will survive an invasion because they have guns between people is really from the 19th century, at best. Or the invader would have to be really poor.

Zelensky releases English-language plea: These are the weapons Ukraine needs

 

[SimplyMe]

I agree. There's been a change in expectations somewhere along the way, now it seems we have a lot of permanent adolescents. I see a difference in my older kids attitudes vs the younger. I think the internet has a lot to do with it, and frankly college may have done more harm in that aspect than good, because colleges teach mostly liberal ideas.

I watched an interesting YouTube video the other day that really made me think. It is by a Canadian YouTuber who is living in Amsterdam and why he is choosing to raise his kids in Amsterdam rather than Canada.

The bulk of his reasoning is that in the Netherlands, there is no issue with letting school-aged kids go out on their own. The Netherlands is designed with safe bike paths where kids can bike to school without having to cross a street where they would be in danger of being hit by cars, they don't have the fear of having kids kidnapped, etc.

He pointed out that just letting you kids play outside without you in the US and Canada today can get you reported to Child Services, with the threat of them taking your children away -- that children in the US and Canada aren't being taught independence or given some limited amount of "freedom." Instead, they always need to have a parent or guardian around to "protect" them and basically aren't allowed to grow up. I'd never thought about it since I'm old enough, I didn't really have that problem with my children.

For those interested in watching, this is the video:

His channel is interesting. He largely talks about the issues in modern US/Canadian society with having cities built around cars; how streets are unsafe for walking/cycling, how it forces us to take cars to go anywhere even if only a couple of blocks away, and it "kills" cities since the suburbs get all the property/sales tax money, the city is just a place people work. Agree or disagree, he makes some very interesting points.

 

[trophy33]

If anyone uses nukes it all over regardless.

Thats exactly the point of having them. Nobody will invade the US land, because nobody wants to get evaporated together with his whole country.

The technology really changed from the colonial era.

 

[renniks]

So someone has two job offers. One in Texas and one in Sydney. The parents check out schools.

'And what sort of security do you have?'
'Well, we have Pamela stationed at the pedestrian crossing when the school opens and closes. Is that what you mean?

'And what sort of security do you have'.
'Well, the perimeter has an 8 foot wall topped with razor wire. There is only one entrance to the school via a metal detector. All windows are barred and have bullet proof glass. We run weekly exercises when the children act out what they need to do in then case of an armed intruder accessing their classroom. Most of the teachers are armed but of course we can't tell you which ones. And each classroom has medical pressure pads and bandages and we keep a supply of saline drips and plasma on site. There is an emergency button on each teacher's desk which is wired directly to the local swat team. Rest assured
your child will probably be safe here.

Guess which one the family chooses.

I'm fine with both but most people don't want schools looking like fort Knox. So I'm going to guess they will pick the first one.

 

[renniks]

Great, more guns in schools. Must be safe.

Yes it has been. And interestingly enough we don't know how many shootings have been prevented by armed teachers because it's not reported unless someone gets hurt.

 

[renniks]

That's actually just an argument for a Swiss-style system.

And the Ukrainian civilians put into service now are only effective because they are literally part of a well-regulated militia of their government.

Whereas most of the people we're talking about in the US explicitly intend not to be part of a well-regulated militia of the government, but intend to be an un-herdable bunch of cats.

I don't know where you got that idea. I suspect gun owners would be the first to volunteer to be drafted if needed.

 

[renniks]

If you really think that this is what decides wars, then I do not know what to say more. Sorry, it seems to me you have no idea what is going on in Ukraine:
List of foreign aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

The idea that any country will survive an invasion because they have guns between people is really from the 19th century, at best. Or the invader would have to be really poor.

Zelensky releases English-language plea: These are the weapons Ukraine needs

Russia has done a very poor job, but I think you might underestimate how many guns we have.
Of course I already said we need the standard military too.

 

[renniks]

He pointed out that just letting you kids play outside without you in the US and Canada today can get you reported to Child Services, with the threat of them taking your children away -- that children in the US and Canada aren't being taught independence or given some limited amount of "freedom." Instead, they always need to have a parent or guardian around to "protect" them and basically aren't allowed to grow up. I'd never thought about it since I'm old enough, I didn't really have that problem with my children.

It used to be that way here at least in the country and still is in some areas. Too many " Karen's" these days. I remember reading about a man out setting traps with his son near dark and some woman pulled up and said she was going to report him to the police for child endangerment. I can not even fathom that mindset.
My kids played in the woods freely and the older ones are grateful for that kind of childhood. Most of them are very independent people with good life skills. I don't understand where we lost the idea that this is essential, maybe it has something to do with there being an app for everything now.

 

[Tom 1]

He pointed out that just letting you kids play outside without you in the US and Canada today can get you reported to Child Services

Is that really the case?

 

[RDKirk]

Is that really the case?

Not in Texas.

 

[rturner76]

Yes it has been. And interestingly enough we don't know how many shootings have been prevented by armed teachers because it's not reported unless someone gets hurt.

I didn't know armed teachers were a thing. What happens when we arm teachers and their gun gets nabbed by a student? They can be pretty tricky. Well, I guess there would be other armed teachers to shoot down anybody that tried it.

 

[SimplyMe]

Is that really the case?

Here's one example, the mother was reported for letting here children play unsupervised in the back yard. He gives an example in the video of a man in Vancouver that was reported because he allowed his children to ride a public bus from his condo to school and back.

And to show RDKirk is not completely correct, it happens in Texas, too. This article gives three examples, including one in Dallas, TX. I'll agree it is less likely in rural areas but in cities and towns there is too likely to be a Karen, watching for children playing alone.

 

[RDKirk]

And to show RDKirk is not completely correct, it happens in Texas, too. This article gives three examples, including one in Dallas, TX. I'll agree it is less likely in rural areas but in cities and towns there is too likely to be a Karen, watching for children playing alone.

The story is behind a pay wall, so I can't see what the details actually were. My next-door neighbor's child plays outside constantly...sometimes wandering into our yard to pick garden flowers. Probably nobody is going to report it, unless she goes into their yards (my wife is too tenderhearted to report it)...but trespassing is a different thing from merely playing unsupervised.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I didn't know armed teachers were a thing. What happens when we arm teachers and their gun gets nabbed by a student? They can be pretty tricky. Well, I guess there would be other armed teachers to shoot down anybody that tried it.

Then again that is just a risk you take if you choose to arm in profession. Anyone can snap given the right conditions so it is not really a fair argument to say well what if a teacher goes crazy; because whether it be police, military or so type of private employer ( not like schools but retail, factories whatever who choose to "allow" armed staff there is that chance that a person may snap for whatever reason