So, recruit me

[tulc]

If you can use sarcasm, you are prpbably sort of smart.

Actually I forgot the word "not" between one and addressing. That should read:

So actually the only one NOT addressing the OP would be your posts.

and no, I really try not to use sarcasm, I find it doesn't come across well on line and creates more problems in communicating with other people.
tulc(isn't as smart as you had hoped)

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Are you saying that atheists, humanists and pagans support gang rape? That makes no sense at all.

I'm just saying that the supporters of gay sex and those that engage in it, look and sound a lot like the society of Sodom mentioned in the Torah.

 

[tulc]

I'm just saying that the supporters of gay sex and those that engage in it, look and sound a lot like the society of Sodom mentioned in the Torah.

Got some examples?
tulc(just curious)

 

[*Starlight*]

I'm just saying that the supporters of gay sex and those that engage in it, look and sound a lot like the society of Sodom mentioned in the Torah.

According to the Bible, the society of Sodom was full of gang rapists, and one person who believed it's okay to give his daughters to be raped instead of the visitors. Without even asking the daughters about it.

As for people who support homosexuality, I know a few such people and none of them are rapists, so your argument fails.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

According to the Bible, the society of Sodom was full of gang rapists,

Oh really? Where does it say that? There were gang rapists obviously, not much different than the behaviors we see at college parties, but "not everyone" that encourages gang rape and gang rapists engage in the rape. The cheering crowd of supporters we see in the Sodom/Lot story.

and one person who believed it's okay to give his daughters to be raped instead of the visitors. Without even asking the daughters about it.

Ever wonder "what" perverted Lot to even think about this, let alone really make the choice? Our environment can very much sicken us. Look at Gay Pride today and you will see adherants and supporters. And also, Lot was thinking that he was saving Angels. The Angels of God didn't accept his offer. Something to think about for those misguided enough to support abortion.

As for people who support homosexuality, I know a few such people and none of them are rapists, so your argument fails.

You don't have to be a rapist to make a rapist feel supported and encouraged. Again, look at the sexual behaviors of today's youth "culture." Not all vigilanties do the hanging. Support is complicity though.

And just as bad, we now see gay activists calling themselves Christians, and some going so far as being in pastoral leadership in places known as Christian communities.

Here, in Jeremiah, is yet again, another example of the kinds of people equated to Sodomites. That being false teachers and the sexually immoral.

Jeremiah 23

False Prophets Denounced

For the land is full of adulterers;
For the land mourns because of the curse
The pastures of the wilderness have dried up.
Their course also is evil
And their might is not right.

"For both prophet and priest are polluted;
Even in My house I have found their wickedness," declares the LORD.

"Therefore their way will be like slippery paths to them,

They will be driven away into the gloom and fall down in it;
For I will bring calamity upon them,
The year of their punishment," declares the LORD.

"Moreover, among the prophets of Samaria I saw an offensive thing:
They prophesied by Baal and led My people Israel astray.


"Also among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen a horrible thing:

The committing of adultery and walking in falsehood;

And they strengthen the hands of evildoers,

So that no one has turned back from his wickedness

All of them have become to Me like Sodom,
And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.

 

[Caylin]

Its been an interesting thread, but I can't contribute here or anywhere else for the next couple of weeks. I'm leaving to go have surgery in 30 mins, and I'll be stuck in bed for a few weeks.

 

[David Brider]

Its been an interesting thread, but I can't contribute here or anywhere else for the next couple of weeks. I'm leaving to go have surgery in 30 mins, and I'll be stuck in bed for a few weeks.

Hope the surgery goes well. *hugs, prayers, general good vibes*

David.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Its been an interesting thread, but I can't contribute here or anywhere else for the next couple of weeks. I'm leaving to go have surgery in 30 mins, and I'll be stuck in bed for a few weeks.

I pray that all goes well.

May Christ Jesus lead you on your path.

PCF

 

[KCKID]

Its been an interesting thread, but I can't contribute here or anywhere else for the next couple of weeks. I'm leaving to go have surgery in 30 mins, and I'll be stuck in bed for a few weeks.

The surgery has nothing to do with a sexual orientation change I trust?

Anyway, good luck and come back soon! I guess we'll still be here playing this game of anti/pro-'gay' ping pong.

 

[tulc]

Its been an interesting thread, but I can't contribute here or anywhere else for the next couple of weeks. I'm leaving to go have surgery in 30 mins, and I'll be stuck in bed for a few weeks.

we'll be praying for you sis!
tulc(let us know how it goes?)

 

[tulc]

I pray that all goes well.

May Christ Jesus lead you on your path.

PCF

Agree's with PCF
tulc(and people say the age of miracles is over)

 

[Andreusz]

tulc,

20,092 posts?

I'm sure that in one of them, you have presented scripture (from the Bible, any version/translation currently in print) that promotes and supports gay sex?

Ploycarp_fan, may I ask you some questions (which are relevant to your challenge above)?

Do you believe that stubbornly disobedient children should be stoned to death?
Do you believe that witchcraft exists?
Do you believe that it is not immoral to own slaves?
Do you believe that bats are birds?

 

[KCKID]

Ploycarp_fan, may I ask you some questions (which are relevant to your challenge above)?

Do you believe that stubbornly disobedient children should be stoned to death?
Do you believe that witchcraft exists?
Do you believe that it is not immoral to own slaves?
Do you believe that bats are birds?

Careful. Polycarp_fan is suspicious of such questions. He believes such questions to be a part of the 'gay agenda' to subvert the teachings of the Apostles. Why would anyone want to do that? Only the shadow knows.

 

[Andreusz]

Well, I'm assuming that Polycarp_fan does not believe any of these things, although all of them are consistent with the Bible. So, if I'm right about his beliefs as to the above, I want to find out why he thinks it wrong to reject the anti-gay passages of the Bible. Of course, my assumption about his beliefs may be entirely incorrect, and we will have to wait for his response.
I am both gay and atheist, and yes, I am arguing for the gay agenda (the one where we take over the world, ban Christianity, and permit heterosexual sex only under special license).

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Ploycarp_fan, may I ask you some questions (which are relevant to your challenge above)?

Oh goody, traps set. The excitment builds. There is a reason I am a fan of Polycarp.

Do you believe that stubbornly disobedient children should be stoned to death?

Is that a question about gang problems that plague us with murder after murder, or is this referring to suicide bombers? Obviously something has to be done if stubbornly disobedient children want to stay disobedient children. I would agree with the judgment of God on that. Actually if you notice, "society" has implemented "charging a child as an adult," for the same reasons as the common sense of biblical mandates. Even sending some to death row.

Do you believe that witchcraft exists?

Yes. What else can explain the rise of gay theology?

Do you believe that it is not immoral to own slaves?

What "kind" of slaves? You'll need to define that? I, for example, like the Apostles, am a slave to Christ Jesus.

Do you believe that bats are birds?

Skeptics.org tactic on me? Bats fly, birds fly. Cause and effect is a science thing is it not? Bats are a mammalian bird.

I can't wait to see where you are leading me? I am not afriad of a cyber persecution at the hands of the likes of you.

Now, how about a question for you?

0 x 0?

It can equal the seen and unseen universe?

Questions are fun aren't they. (?)

 

[Andreusz]

Polycarp_fan, in this and other threads, you have referred to gay people (which includes me), as "satanic" and "perverted". I think this comes rather close to the name calling which is allegedly forbidden in these forums. I would find it offensive, if it wasn't so laughable.

Yes. What else can explain the rise of gay theology?

Bats are a mammalian bird.

I am sorry to tell you this, but you are crazy. I am not talking metaphorically -- I mean that your ideas are seriously out of tune with the world as it is. You are clinically mad, and I can only hope that you are in some place of safety.

With good wishes for your recovery.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To tulc,

Got some examples?

To be fair I have been looking through the posts to see your argument presented with scripture that Ploycarp fan asked about way back and haven't yet seen anything. It might be helpful if you could at least put your presentation as well as challenging Polycarp fan's one.

I must ask you about the comment concerning gang rape at Sodom. It doesnt mention gang rape, the men wanted to know carnally 'yada' the men inside. Rape as in the modern concept is abuse and is mentioned as well as the sex act in the Judges 19 account, not as the same thing. However this begs the question of you see this as rape how come the rape of the men by the men is pronounced wicked, and the rape of the daughters by the men, not pronoucned wicked and offered instead.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Andreusz,

Polycarp_fan, in this and other threads, you have referred to gay people (which includes me), as "satanic" and "perverted". I think this comes rather close to the name calling which is allegedly forbidden in these forums. I would find it offensive, if it wasn't so laughable.

I think in fairness it has been agreed to cut out such personal remarks including the ones such as bigot etc that used to appear.

I am sorry to tell you this, but you are crazy. I am not talking metaphorically -- I mean that your ideas are seriously out of tune with the world as it is. You are clinically mad, and I can only hope that you are in some place of safety.

With good wishes for your recovery.

This is pretty much the argument. God’s word says that the ideas of the world are foolishness and that God’s ways are seen as foolish by the world.

Matthew 7:26 “But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.”

1 Corinthians 1:18 “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”

1 Corinthians 3:19 “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"

 

[tulc]

I must ask you about the comment concerning gang rape at Sodom. It doesnt mention gang rape, the men wanted to know carnally 'yada' the men inside. Rape as in the modern concept is abuse and is mentioned as well as the sex act in the Judges 19 account, not as the same thing.

...I'm not sure if I'm following you here, are you asking was trying to rape the angels a bad thing back then? It seemed Lot thought it was bad, that's why he tried to stop them, right?

However this begs the question of you see this as rape how come the rape of the men by the men is pronounced wicked, and the rape of the daughters by the men, not pronoucned wicked and offered instead.

Personally I think both the attempted angel rape and offering the daughters were wrong. But I may be misunderstanding what you're asking, care to elaborate?
tulc(will try to answer if he can)

 

[brightmorningstar]

To tulc,

...I'm not sure if I'm following you here, are you asking was trying to rape the angels a bad thing back then?

As I said it doesn’t mention rape. What is says is the men wanted to know carnally the men.

It seemed Lot thought it was bad, that's why he tried to stop them, right?

Well as you can read the angels thought it was bad because they blinded the men of Sodom.

Personally I think both the attempted angel rape and offering the daughters were wrong.

But the Biblical account doesn’t mention angel rape it mentions the desire of the men of Sodom to know carnally the men visitors

I may be misunderstanding what you're asking, care to elaborate?

I am only asking you about the Biblical account, if you cant address what it says I can’t really understand what you think about it.