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Hi there,

So yes, you are privileged to hear my take on Evolution before I brave the waters of the Science forum - its actually very simple: Evolution promises change, through successive adaptations; Creation promises change, through variations of a kind. What does this mean? It means that Evolution will always get the upper hand to begin with - because it promises the broadest possible direction for all subsequent changes - while Creation gets the upper hand in the end - because it endures peacefully with threats made to its livelihood, right up to the end (gathering momentum as it does so). Does Evolution attempt to refine its design? No, it takes a chance on the design of others; does Creation attempt to single out its peak? No, one design within a kind, is believed as strong as any other.

So why all the fighting, if its a choice? Well, that is because the question at stake, is what philosophy will the children adopt, given that they have a choice? There will be strengths and there will be psychopaths, but humanly speaking, there will never be a point at which successive change passes beyond some design and speaking as humanly, there will never be a point at which, additive change entrenches once and for all, without need of succession to go before it. Evolution goes before Creation, but it does not go to the end. Creation reaches the end, but it does not necessarily share the end, with Evolution.

This is something that can only be worked out, through life - how ever that life is given. Evolution will always worry that it does not have the upper hand, Creation will always assert that the creed of its end is superior to shallow contest or one-up-manship. There is no rest here. There is only rest in the attraction of Jesus. Jesus contends that at one point, a particular philosophy may be strong, but equally at another point the same philosophy may be weak. What matters is that creatures do the will of God, that they fulfil the destiny that was given to them: in the predetermination, of the Lord. Let the spotted be spotted and the speckled be speckled - the difference is the Lord's.

I hope you understand what I am saying by the end, but by the same token, I don't want you to forget that token faith, on its own, is not enough to defeat Evolution - I am taking this to heart also (I may not post this in the Science forum, depending on how you receive it?). The Lord knew, if He did not speak up, our faith would be lost - perhaps not immeditately, but shortly after!

The point is:
Evolution is as successive, as one of its kind is able to hunt; Creation keeps adding strength, as most of its kind is able to vary an appropriate defence
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My own personal view of Evolution and Creationism goes hand in hand. I've done some minor research into the Sumerian Tablets from Babylon, that talks about the Annunaki and I believe they refer to Noah's flood. They also talk about an ancient humanoid race that seeded humanity. My take on that is it is Enoch's tale of watch angels, the flood, and Nephilim. So there is wisdom to be taken from considering all aspects of life/creationism/evolution.
 
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Life cannot happen with only inorganic matter being present.

This is true. However, lots of naturally-occuring organic matter exists were there are no living things to consume it. Lipids, amino acids, phospholipids, and others.

With out them the earth would have been unable to bring forth living things. God thought of everything. After all, He is God.

King Arthur: "Good idea, Lord."
God: "Of course it's a good idea."
 
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These things only exist on earth where God put them. So your saying @The Barbarian that creation first then evolution? Why would He do that? You better get your creation and bible facts straight. The dates don’t measure up because of the flood and flawed dating processes. Not enough amino acids to make protein.
 
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These things only exist on earth where God put them.

Of course. Your difficulty is in being unable to accept the way God did it.

So your saying @The Barbarian that creation first then evolution?

Evolution is just the way God creates new taxa. You realize that you are a creature of God, do you not? Do you think it doesn't count if He creates your body by natural means?

Why would He do that?

Probably because He created nature to do that.

You better get your creation and bible facts straight.

I'm just showing you the facts. You can accept His word or reject it. Fortunately for you, He doesn't care what you think of evolution. Your salvation won't depend on it.

Not enough amino acids to make protein.

Actually, as you learned, amino acids form abiotically, and short protein sequences do form naturally. Would you like to learn about that?
 
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