So I am thinking of calling Evolutionists out, on which word reminds them of the theory they have

[Gottservant]

http://toddcwood.blogspot.com/2009/09/truth-about-evolution.html

Yeah, sorry but I get stuck at "making a god, of a cause" - if you need to deny God, swear you'll never trust Him and move on: don't drag other people's consciences in with yours, into Hell.

Even the Devil needs commitment, but denying God's Cause destroys it for the both of you.

I'm not even really angry to the extent that I would pursue you or it, I just have almost nothing to say on the part of the Evolution you can only ever use to selfish ends.

 

[lesliedellow]

Yeah, sorry but I get stuck at "making a god, of a cause" - if you need to deny God, swear you'll never trust Him and move on: don't drag other people's consciences in with yours, into Hell.

Even the Devil needs commitment, but denying God's Cause destroys it for the both of you.

I'm not even really angry to the extent that I would pursue you or it, I just have almost nothing to say on the part of the Evolution you can only ever use to selfish ends.

I do not deny God, but I do loath obscurantism.

 

[The Barbarian]

I think it’s already been refuted several times but people just want to hold on to that. They believe what they want to believe without informing themselves thoroughly.
DNA can not increase information, it can have mutations but the creature will still be what it is as its DNA dictates.

So here's an easy way to check that. Let's say a population has two alleles, each of a frequency of 0.5 (50% each). Then a mutation produces a third allele which eventually causes each allele to have a frequency of .33333... (one-third).

What was the information for that gene before the mutation? What was the information after?

If you don't know how information is calculated, I'll show you in a bit. Let's see what you have.

Hint: Information for the gene when there are two alleles at 0.5 frequency is about 0.30.

 

[Gottservant]

The problem I have with limiting relevance to change in alleles is that the coherence of those alleles is not managed by the alleles themselves - the epigenome does that.

It's like saying "putting the key in the ignition, opens the door".

So you have at one degree a disingenuous claim of power, and then an unexamined potential to reconcile that power given no notice.

The last point graspable, is either a foreclosure or an expansion of the life lived, not all potential further added to (as though the work of the epigenome was incidental to the effect of the phenomenon beginning with the "mutation").

If Evolution is true at all, the epigenome has the most say, not the least.

 

[The Barbarian]

The problem I have with limiting relevance to change in alleles is that the coherence of those alleles is not managed by the alleles themselves - the epigenome does that.

How are the substances that comprise the epigenome produced? When you know that, you will know why evolution is a change in allele frequency over time.

 

[hiwaystar]

"Plan" I'm an evolutionist who see's evolution as the outworking of Gods plan; growth in wisdom through experience. The Bible evolves, or mans understanding of God gets better throughout the scripture.

I'd say you'd been tricked by the devil to somehow ''reconcile'' the Bible with science or whatever. Don't you know that evolution conflicts with every single aspect of God? It doesn't matter if there seems to be evidence for evolution; just read the Bible and you'd know it's false.

 

[lesliedellow]

I'd say you'd been tricked by the devil to somehow ''reconcile'' the Bible with science or whatever. Don't you know that evolution conflicts with every single aspect of God? It doesn't matter if there seems to be evidence for evolution; just read the Bible and you'd know it's false.

Which aspects precisely? Omnipotence? Omniscience? Aseity? Immutability? Eternity?

 

[Halbhh]

I'd say you'd been tricked by the devil to somehow ''reconcile'' the Bible with science or whatever. Don't you know that evolution conflicts with every single aspect of God? It doesn't matter if there seems to be evidence for evolution; just read the Bible and you'd know it's false.

My Bible, which I read with real listening, without an agenda to impose onto it, doesn't say either way. I do read more than just pieces, and I don't read in order to prove points, but in order to listen and be taught. It definitely doesn't say how much time passed during verse 1, if you will look, nor does it say whether or not time passed between the individual days, so therefore I know people preaching a version (instead of merely humbly having what they admit are merely their own guesses about such) are actualy using their own assumptions and bringing those to the text, and worse, putting them onto the text, instead of listening. If we listen the scripture changes us, transports us, and we are no longer the same after we read than we were before we read.

 

[Gottservant]

Precisely! #28

God changes our Evolution, He does not change His!