So ... forget about it?

[sentipente]

And that's the point, lovebirds. You don't know what is in someone's head. Only the Creator does. You can't even go by what the person says because half the time we are laboring under self-delusion. There is a reason why judgement is not left to man.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

misery... tragedy... who cares. nobody cares.

not really.

oh sure, there will always be those that SAY they do ... until they find out they can't get away with feigning appearances on someone in severe distress. that when they say they bes there for you, you actually expect them to mean it. that when they seem to sincerely invest time and energy trying to convince you it bes safe to trust them, you might actually start to respond to that, and get the insane fracking notion stuck in your skull that they meant it. That you might make the unforgivable and unthinkable error of assuming they care how you feel, that you matter to them, that if you hurt, it bes important to them.

We have seen the face of evil ... dismissal, invalidation, malicious mischaracterizations, not from enemies and hostiles where any sane person can expect such things but from those that supposedly really care -- only come to find out it bes nothing but pretense. Moriah's inhabitants bes right, them humans use it for their entertainment, nothing more, and when it has real needs, real serious needs it cannot shut off or wave a wand and make disappear, it ceases to be entertaining and becomes some mere annoyance fit only for being shoved off and thrown away.

it despises all humans. if they want to know why it cannot believe in a loving God they have no further to look than the mirror. and it will never ever ever trust any of them again -- EVER. NOT when the ones supposedly MOST trustworthy prove the opposite and worse than the opposite, not even just erring but deliberately using the familiarity of their knowledge of you against you.

How does your sick species survive and why bes not all of you gone postal, bes what it wants the knowing.

 

[sentipente]

Tough words but, Oh, so true. We are God's image. He is what we live Him to be.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

I hope I never gave the impression that I think I'm sitting in the place of judgment. I merely said I think it's possible, although very very difficult, to come to the point of being beyond salvation. I never have presumed to say that any person has reached that point. I can only speculate on where that point may be.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

do not take the despair of daimonizomai personally.

theft it bes ... theft ... if everyone bes angered with it or upset by it every time it speaks necessary truth, when ever will bes ITS turn???

 

[sentipente]

I hope I never gave the impression that I think I'm sitting in the place of judgment. I merely said I think it's possible, although very very difficult, to come to the point of being beyond salvation. I never have presumed to say that any person has reached that point. I can only speculate on where that point may be.

When you truly get to know the Creator you will realize why your thinking on this point is fatally flawed.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Moriah, you haven't offended me in the least.

Senti, I'm afraid you have. It's perfectly fine to disagree with me and say why, but when you question my relationship with God, you have crossed a line. And just what do you mean by fatally flawed? That I don't have a chance?

This sort of thing is why I don't do debate. Why can't we simply state our beliefs and viewpoints, without getting personal? May I remind you, just as you said to me, that you are not in my head and do not know how I relate to the Lord?

 

[sentipente]

Lovebirds, I did not say your relationship was fatally flawed. I said your view of salvation is fatally flawed. Please keep the difference in perspective.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

When you truly get to know the Creator you will realize why your thinking on this point is fatally flawed.

By saying this you more than suggested I don't "truly" know the Creator. I would have to know Him to have a relationship with Him. And, you made a personal statement about me rather than simply sticking to what you believe and why. This places me in a position where it is necessary to defend myself, rather than merely defend my way of thinking.

 

[sentipente]

By saying this you more than suggested I don't "truly" know the Creator. I would have to know Him to have a relationship with Him. And, you made a personal statement about me rather than simply sticking to what you believe and why. This places me in a position where it is necessary to defend myself, rather than merely defend my way of thinking.

That is because you think that relationships are static in nature. One always gets to know the other person in a relationship better. Knowing someone less does not mean one does not have a genuine relationship. But that is the problem with Christian theology which makes us doubt our relationship because our knowledge is growing.

 

[Kolya]

Senti, I'm afraid you have. It's perfectly fine to disagree with me and say why, but when you question my relationship with God, you have crossed a line. And just what do you mean by fatally flawed? That I don't have a chance?

This sort of thing is why I don't do debate. Why can't we simply state our beliefs and viewpoints, without getting personal? May I remind you, just as you said to me, that you are not in my head and do not know how I relate to the Lord?

Well stated!

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

That is because you think that relationships are static in nature. One always gets to know the other person in a relationship better. Knowing someone less does not mean one does not have a genuine relationship. But that is the problem with Christian theology which makes us doubt our relationship because our knowledge is growing.

I never suggested that relationships are static in nature. I was taking a snapshot of various mentalities, at the moment. Things do change. On that I think we can agree.

And the tone I'm picking up from you is, "Don't worry, little girl. You'll understand better when you grow up." This, I find quite patronizing.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Well stated!

Thank you.

 

[sentipente]

I never suggested that relationships are static in nature. I was taking a snapshot of various mentalities, at the moment. Things do change. On that I think we can agree.

And the tone I'm picking up from you is, "Don't worry, little girl. You'll understand better when you grow up." This, I find quite patronizing.

That's a tone you choose to pick up for whatever reason. I did not say "if you know God" for precisely this reason. I did not want you coming back and accusing me of saying that you do not know Him. I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

That's a tone you choose to pick up for whatever reason. I did not say "if you know God" for precisely this reason. I did not want you coming back and accusing me of saying that you do not know Him. I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

You think inserting the word "truly" doesn't mean the same thing?

In accusing me of being judgmental, you judged *me.* And when I state how your posts make me feel, again you put the onus on me. If I'm offended it's my fault, certainly not yours, for you are 100% correct in anything you say. You take no responsibility for your words.

Sigh. Please don't make me report you for ad hominem attacks. I really don't want to do that. I'd rather handle this conflict myself, since I've not historically been good at doing that.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I hope I never gave the impression that I think I'm sitting in the place of judgment. I merely said I think it's possible, although very very difficult, to come to the point of being beyond salvation. I never have presumed to say that any person has reached that point. I can only speculate on where that point may be.

When you truly get to know the Creator you will realize why your thinking on this point is fatally flawed.

What portion of her statement do you find fatally flawed here, and in what way? Moriah really wants to know and asks honestly on an impersonal level. Do you mean to suggest that once one really gets to know the Creator one WILL think some people bes beyond salvation? Or bes you talksy about something else entirely in that quote?

Lovebirds, hope you do not mind the inquiry here as Moriah wants to know what Senti bes thinksy on when he says that.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

In accusing me of being judgmental, you judged *me.* And when I state how your [ words | actions ] make me feel, again you put the onus on me. If I'm offended it's my fault, certainly not yours, for you are 100% correct in anything you say. You take no responsibility for your words.

Apropos of absolutely nothing on this thread, Moriah gets that kind of mind-twisting treatment so often it bes not even funny. Thank you for giving it a concise statement to name and define such things. It finds most difficult the articulation of such...

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

What portion of her statement do you find fatally flawed here, and in what way? Moriah really wants to know and asks honestly on an impersonal level. Do you mean to suggest that once one really gets to know the Creator one WILL think some people bes beyond salvation? Or bes you talksy about something else entirely in that quote?

Lovebirds, hope you do not mind the inquiry here as Moriah wants to know what Senti bes thinksy on when he says that.

No, Moriah, in fact I would appreciate support and thank you for taking an interest. Since Senti apparently knows the Creator so much better than I do, I would be curious about his reply.

 

[sentipente]

Lovebirds, you are free to report me for ad hominem attacks I have not made. You will have a difficult time showing an ad hominem attack in post #46 or anywhere after that. It should be clear to you that your accusation that I said you were judgmental is unwarranted and false.

 

[sentipente]

What portion of her statement do you find fatally flawed here, and in what way?

I was referring to her statement that there is a possibility that one of the Father's creatures could be beyond salvation. When we come to truly know Him we understand that we are not His because He discovered us but because He made all of us from His very being. He could never refuse to save anyone of us.