Smith Wigglesworth ....

I absolutely love reading Wigglesworth's collection of Sermons...my Pastor often quotes him in his sermons.

In Christ,

Kimmie

Jim M said:

I have waited patiently for an apology for your unkind remark (above), Womanofgod, and still have not received it. Will I have to demand an apology or will you offer it as readily as you did the insulting comment? There is really no need for this kind of stuff.
~Jim

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Curious, JimM, I really didn't see her remark as insulting - just a passing comment.

Jim M said:

I have waited patiently for an apology for your unkind remark (above), Womanofgod, and still have not received it. Will I have to demand an apology or will you offer it as readily as you did the insulting comment? There is really no need for this kind of stuff.

~Jim

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Did Jesus say that we were to wait for an apology before forgiving someone? Maybe if you took the first step of forgiveness, then she might be more inclined to respond in a more positive way. I hope you are not saying that your forgiveness of others is on your own terms instead of the ones that Jesus set.

HermanTacticus said:

Did Jesus say that we were to wait for an apology before forgiving someone? Maybe if you took the first step of forgiveness, then she might be more inclined to respond in a more positive way. I hope you are not saying that your forgiveness of others is on your own terms instead of the ones that Jesus set.

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Who said she wasn’t forgiven? Didn’t Jesus also say something about prejudging others? Furthermore, I will demand an apology from anyone else - you included - who insults me. It is too easy in a public forum like this to dish out public insults. Let's see if the insulters can also dish out a public apology.

~Jim

flaglady said:

Curious, JimM, I really didn't see her remark as insulting - just a passing comment.

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Maybe you weren’t insulted. But then the remark wasn’t aimed at you, was it?
Oh, I can live with it. It really doesn't matter to me what she thinks of me. But I see a lot of inslting remarks leveled at people in this forum and I think we should demand an apology when we are insulted. If you are man/woman enough to dish out abuse you should be man/woman enough to apologize.
~Jim

Jim M said:

...I think we should demand an apology when we are insulted...

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I'm curious where the scriptural backing for this statement is...

probinson said:

I'm curious where the scriptural backing for this statement is...

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“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault” Matthew 18.15.

Of course, I am taking liberties here. It says "brother" not "sister" and “him” not “her”.

~Jim

I don't recall insulting YOU PERSONALLY but responding to your post itself. What in the world is wrong with questioning your motives when you questioned ours first? I just got a pm from someone telling me that you are demanding an apology from me for asking my question. This post was about Wigglesworth and you seem to hijack the thread with your comment. This is a forum and we have the right to post what we like if we have a question or just an opinion. I don't understand why you would respond to a thread if you don't agree with it, but that is your right. Just like it is my right to post a passing comment, which is all it was, which is why I haven't come back to this thread until now.

You say it was just a suggestion that you made, well so was mine. Then you posted that you were waiting patiently for an apology from me, I don't recall you asking for one until you posted that you were waiting patiently for one. I don't do *** for tat Jim and I won't be pulled into this type of commentary. I even wished you a happy birthday week, did you say thank you? More importantly, did I demand that you thank me? You say I sinned against you, wow...Lord God I wish I knew that before I posted my COMMENT. So, since you are all in a tizzy about an apology ...I apologize for offending you and causing you unnecessary drama. It won't happen again...I hope !!!

Jim M said:

“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault” Matthew 18.15.

Of course, I am taking liberties here. It says "brother" not "sister" and “him” not “her”.

~Jim

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Jim, I expected more than that from you. You've taken more liberties than that. I see you've taken the liberty of leaving part of that verse out completely, so let me post it in its entirety:

Matthew 18:15
If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.

It doesn't say publically demand an apology on a forum where every Tom, Dick and Harry can read it. It says just between the two of you. PM someone if you want to demand an apology. I choose this method instead:

Matthew 5:11-12
11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

probinson said:

Jim, I expected more than that from you. You've taken more liberties than that. I see you've taken the liberty of leaving part of that verse out completely, so let me post it in its entirety:

Matthew 18:15
If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.

It doesn't say publically demand an apology on a forum where every Tom, Dick and Harry can read it. It says just between the two of you. PM someone if you want to demand an apology. I choose this method instead:

Matthew 5:11-12
11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

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But, Pete, I figured you knew what the verse said and I only quote the pertinent part, just as you highlighted the part you wanted to emphasize (above). And since the insult was offered in a public forum, I think it deserves a public apology (which I have yet to receive either publicly or privately). If you insult me publicly I will demand a public apology and that would not be prohibited by scripture. I just hope we can keep personal affronts out of our discussions.

Anyhow, I think we are making a bigger issue out of this than it really was. I was not offended by the remark. But we do have to lighten our tone toward each other and if we are offended admit it and not strike back in kind.

~Jim

I have read much of Wigglesworth and love all of his collection of sermons. From my understanding he never read any book other than the Bible. Also there is a story of a young man who came to his house (first person account I can't remember his name I think it was Lester something I just can't recall it right now but some say that Wigglesworth layed his hands on him to recieve his annointing) and at the time it was customary to wear a certain dress in that part of England. THe dress included a jacket an umbrella in one hand and a news paper under your arm. Well that young man was invited to Smith Wigglesworth's house and upon entrance he (Smith Wigglesworth) told him to throw the newspaper into the bushes because he would not have that rubbish in his house. No compromise. HE would not even let a newspaper into his house. That is a true story so I don't know. Anyways...

I love his books and I think that this man had a great relationship with God the books I have read with his collection on sermons in them are Smith Wigglesworth on Faith and Smith Wigglesworth on the Holy Spirit.

My favorite quote by him is when he said that he was on the ripples of the waves of God. For me that is just an inspiring statement how someone could say that he was just barely touching all that was available for him in God through Christ Jesus our Lord. May we be stirred up with hunger to dive into the waves of God and exceed what our brother has been knowing that his faith has trailblazed a way for us. As Wigglesworth said often "Only Believe".

oneshot012 said:

I have read much of Wigglesworth and love all of his collection of sermons. From my understanding he never read any book other than the Bible. Also there is a story of a young man who came to his house (first person account I can't remember his name I think it was Lester something I just can't recall it right now but some say that Wigglesworth layed his hands on him to recieve his annointing) and at the time it was customary to wear a certain dress in that part of England. THe dress included a jacket an umbrella in one hand and a news paper under your arm. Well that young man was invited to Smith Wigglesworth's house and upon entrance he (Smith Wigglesworth) told him to throw the newspaper into the bushes because he would not have that rubbish in his house. No compromise. HE would not even let a newspaper into his house. That is a true story so I don't know. Anyways...

I love his books and I think that this man had a great relationship with God the books I have read with his collection on sermons in them are Smith Wigglesworth on Faith and Smith Wigglesworth on the Holy Spirit.

My favorite quote by him is when he said that he was on the ripples of the waves of God. For me that is just an inspiring statement how someone could say that he was just barely touching all that was available for him in God through Christ Jesus our Lord. May we be stirred up with hunger to dive into the waves of God and exceed what our brother has been knowing that his faith has trailblazed a way for us. As Wigglesworth said often "Only Believe".

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Now that is my favorite quote.."Only Believe", that is what Jesus said to Jairus when he was told that his daughter was dead and to bother Jesus no more. I love that quote because most of us truly think that we believe...but we don't.

I have read some about Smith Wigglesworth in the past and was stirred by his faith. The reminder of his ministry encourages me to go back and read again.

The issue isn't personality worship, but we need to recapture the miraculous in the Church today and reading his sermons may give a clue toward seeing that happen. The miraculous is the credential of the gospel.

We are in the middle of a great awakening in the Church at large, but the Holy Spirit is not manifesting Himself to the same degree in our western and European cultures. That should make us sit up and take notice.

Randy Clark originally from Toronto Airport Vineyard was recently in Brazil with a team of 150 people from across the USA for a 3 week crusade. Two from our own fellowship were on the team. They are reporting over 11000 healings during the 3 weeks. Goiters disappearing, deafness and blindness healed, deliverances and much more. Why Brazil and not main street America or the Champs Elyeese in Paris or one of the streets of London?

Bill Johnson, Reading California, 'When Heaven Invades Earth' describes the miraculous as a normal and expected thing in their midst. When heaven invades earth; when was the last time I felt that God invaded earth? Most of the time, pertaining to the miraculous, He makes a cameo appearance a couple of times a year. Perhaps we need to readjust our culture into alignment with the unseen things rather than those that we see, touch, and scientifically determine.

Peter and John didn't have any silver and gold, but what they had caused a man lame from birth to get up and walk. We are to do greater things than Jesus. The challenge that we should see in Wigglesworth is that God is no respecter of persons.

He is calling forth a generation of radical, passionate, lovers of God who will destroy the works of the enemy. I've got a few years left and I want to be a part of this awesome demonstration of His love and power.

I don't mean this as a condemnation or a bomb,
but rather simply expressing what God has been challenging me with over the past year. What do you think?

Sorry if this hijacks the thread.

Doug

Jim M said:

You know, these threads that insist on mentioning individuals only draw the extremes of those who have either undeserved admiration or unwarranted criticism for the subject of the OP. These kind of threads seem to only stir up animosities. Wouldn’t it be better to deal with the issues that face Pentecostals/Charismatics than the celebrities who only draw gratuitous praise/condemnation?

~Jim

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I agree to a point. But I think that heroes of the faith have their place too.

womanofgodwcci said:

Now that is my favorite quote.."Only Believe", that is what Jesus said to Jairus when he was told that his daughter was dead and to bother Jesus no more. I love that quote because most of us truly think that we believe...but we don't.

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I agree. I know I am inclined to think that I believe but am often surprised at what comes out when I am sorely tested.

So what is the remedy for unbelief ?? How do we go from weak faith to strong faith ?

By the way, I think that the scripture teaches us that mentoring relationships are much better than Christian hero/celebrity relationships. We are to make disciples and the bible speaks of spiritual fathers and mothers.

When we try to pattern our christian walk after a stranger that we have no relationship with , we are in danger of all sorts of extremes and unrealistic notions. What we really need is a more proximate goal. Someone who is mature that we are in relationship with that we learn from.

My older brother used to talk to me about our mindset when we played football together. He used to say, I would always want to go for the " big play ". But that I needed to learn the fundamentals first. The three yard gain up the middle followed by another one. They say football is a game of inches. Much of the battle is won or lost in the "trenches". The unexciting work of blocking and tackling. An inch gained here and another gained there. The highlights always show the big plays but talk to a caoch and they will tell you that the big plays are not possible without all the "unseen" battles of inches that took place during the game.

It is true that heroes inspire us. How many children sign up for little league because they want to be like Michael Jordan or some sports hero. But Michael Jordan will tell you it was hours and hours of work behind his success.

So my question is what was behind the heroics of Smith Wigglesworth? What were the struggles that he fought through ?

Smith Wigglesworth is one of my favorites. Although he never wrote a book, others wrote about him and his sermons. They are so poweful. I have 3 books about him and it is wonderful reading. I recommend his books to so many people. Anyone thats reads them will be uplifted, and it can help their faith soar.
Thanks for posting this thread.

Yitzchak said:

I agree. I know I am inclined to think that I believe but am often surprised at what comes out when I am sorely tested.

So what is the remedy for unbelief ?? How do we go from weak faith to strong faith ?

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The remedy for unbelief and weak faith is to renew our minds with God's word. His word is so full of Himself...LOVE!!! The bible is the greatest love letter ever written to man. When you understand that it is His love letter to you, you will find so many beautiful aspects and natures of God. I find in my own experience that if I am straying, feeling frustrated, aggravated or offended that I am not spending enough time with God. Something in my spiritual inventory has slipped and I need to do an assessment of all my actions and my love walk. You see, when you spend so much time with God that you don't know when trouble comes...that is the ultimate. You just breeze right through it and He covers you in that secret place of the Most High. He shelters you by being your very refuge and your fortress. It amazes me how much more of Him I need, when I think that I have more than enough.

The truth is that in God, you can never have enough and you will never tap out the whole of His goodness for you and your life. Everyday my neck is outstretched in expectation of Him. Everyday I encounter something never before done or even expected from my Daddy. He is so wonderful. I know that I am in love with Him, and He knows it too. No matter where I am in life or what I am doing, He is first nature to me, not second nature or last resort. That comes from spending time with Him and spending time in His word. You can't imagine this kind of love nor compare it to anything that would give you an idea of what I am talking about. You just feel so good, all of the time, even in trials you can smile and feel so free because you know that the Greater One LIVES, DWELLS, RESIDES AND BREATHES on the inside of you, He literally chose you. It is an honor to be chosen. To know that He hand picked you out of millions and billions of others. He said, "Father, I want her to belong to Me and with Me. I will protect her, keep her and love her just as You do and she will be my bride and I will be her lover!!" Oh, how He romances me everyday. I've never felt so special, sweet, loving, lovable and loved by anyone. He is my Jesus!!

It feels good to know that someone else experienced this kind of life in God. That is what I got from Wigglesworth's walk with Jesus. There was nothing that would stop him from being about the Father's business. It should be the same for us.

Yitzchak said:

So my question is what was behind the heroics of Smith Wigglesworth? What were the struggles that he fought through ?

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He was such a hellian when he and his wife married. She prayed him into the kingdom of God. Her faith in God gave him an option to live in God and not the world. He was so mean and abusive to her. I call him demon possessed before he got saved because he was just so brutal. He locked her out the house if she went to church. He hid her shoes so she wouldn't go to church. He hated that she did anything for God. Hell knew that his ministry would be powerful and unstoppable, but the beauty of it is that God has never lost His authority over hell and with Patty praying for her husband, the end result was anointed, Holy Ghost, magnanimous power. The heroics behind him was prayer from someone who loved him and knew that God had need of him.

He fought through sickness and disease with family members and himself. People think that because you are one with God that you are no longer accessible to hell. If that were the case God would not have told us that we will have trials and tribulations BUT be of good cheer because He has ALREADY OVERCOME this world on our behalf. Being in God doesn't mean that you won't have to fight the good fight of faith. It is because you are with God and in God that YOU DO fight that fight. It is your duty to fight, but it is your reward and award to win. The trials and tribulations come to prove that God is real, living and truth.

womanofGod

Wonderful post

Love
Karen